[Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order)

[Philip Kiff via athen-list]

Thanks, Aaron. I'm not sure it will be useful for us to debate the 
relative merits of posting content generated by LLMs on this mailing 
list. I have lots more I could say about it! But it's not my list 
either, and I'm no longer involved in academia, so while I wanted to 
give my 2 cents, I also defer to the rest of the list.

Phil.

On 2025-04-16 3:03 p.m., Top Tech Tidbits via athen-list wrote:

>

> Regarding output (or in this case, input) from ChatGPT, I deeply and 

> wholeheartedly disagree with your assessments that AI cannot provide 

> current, focused advice from experts like yourselves, especially when 

> the archives for this list, and many others like it, are open, 

> available and have very likely been indexed by all of the large LLMS 

> many times over. Why would you not want to consider these additional 

> insights? Insights that have already proven valuable to several 

> readers of this list on several different occasions. Limiting the flow 

> of possible information does not seem like a wise academic decision in 

> my experience. But, with that said, this is not my list, and I very 

> much want to respect the wishes of the people who use it. Therefore, I 

> will refrain from providing any information generated by artificial 

> intelligence going forward.

>

> **

>

> *Aaron Di Blasi, **PMP* <https://www.pmi.org/>__

>

>

> [snip]

>

> *From:*Steve Green <steve.green at testpartners.co.uk>

> *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2025 11:24 AM

> *To:* Philip Kiff <phil at d4k.ca>; Access Technology Higher Education 

> Network <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Cc:* Eckelberry, Robin <Robin.Eckelberry at nelnet.net>; 'Hayman, 

> Douglass' <dhayman at olympic.edu>; enews at toptechtidbits.com

> *Subject:* RE: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not 

> tag order)

>

> [snip]

>

> I totally agree with Philip’s comments regarding ChatGPT.

>

> Steve Green

>

> Managing Director

>

> Test Partners Ltd

>

> *From:* Philip Kiff <phil at d4k.ca>

> *Sent:* 16 April 2025 15:38

> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network 

> <athen-list at u.washington.edu>

> *Cc:* Eckelberry, Robin <Robin.Eckelberry at nelnet.net>; Steve Green 

> <steve.green at testpartners.co.uk>; 'Hayman, Douglass' 

> <dhayman at olympic.edu>; enews at toptechtidbits.com

> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not 

> tag order)

>

>

> [snip]

>

> Also, for what it's worth, I'm not a fan of folks plugging questions 

> into ChatGPT and cutting and pasting the response into mailing lists 

> like this one. I think it generally degrades the value and accuracy of 

> the mailing list. In this case, while some folks found ChatGPT content 

> to be useful, I personally thought that ChatGPT's response failed to 

> distinguish clearly between "tag order" and "reading order" and 

> therefore missed one of the crucial components of the original 

> question. Besides which, ChatGPT is just going to regurgitate what it 

> finds elsewhere, rather than providing current, focused advice from 

> experts or experience, which is what I rely on this list and the 

> WebAIM list for. Just my 2 cents.

>

> Phil.

>

> Philip Kiff

> D4K Communications

>

>  [snip]

>

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