From athen-list at u.washington.edu Sun Feb 1 10:51:45 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Network of Assistive Technologists via athen-list) Date: Sun Feb 1 10:51:58 2026 Subject: [Athen] A Few Spots Remain - NOAT 2026 - Register Now - Feb 4-6 Online Message-ID: *Registration Is Still Open - NOAT 2026: educATe and integrATe * - February 4th to 6th, 2026 - 9am-3pm Eastern I am excited to be able to extend this invitation to the upcoming Network of Assistive Technologists (NOAT) virtual conference. We still have room and want those from the wider AT community to consider joining us this coming week. We're excited to be offering NOAT 2026: educATe and integrATe , our national virtual gathering happening F ebruary 4?6, 2026. This is your chance to reconnect, exchange ideas, and elevate your practice with AT professionals from across Canada and beyond. Join assistive technology professionals, educators, and advocates from across the country for a dynamic, free virtual conference. 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Best, Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network , Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. 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Given this challenge, I would greatly appreciate any insights or resources you may be willing to share. In particular, I am seeking: * Established frameworks, standards, or methodologies for describing complex, abstract, or interpretive artworks in an accessibility?aligned yet pedagogically neutral manner. * Examples, templates, or institutional guidelines that address the balance between accessibility and preserving academic rigor in art?based coursework. * Effective strategies for collaborating with faculty to distinguish objective description from academic interpretation. * Recommended scholarly or practical resources relevant to accessibility practices in fine arts, studio arts, or performance?based disciplines. If your institution has developed procedures to navigate this issue , I would be grateful to learn from your experience. Thank you in advance for your time, consideration, and any expertise you may share. 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Achieve.] ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM To: Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ] DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of images. Best, Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network , Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to take on the project. No thanks. 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Best regards, Joshua From: Amy Rovner Date: Thursday, February 5, 2026 at 5:47?PM To: Wallace, Sagan , Access Technology Higher Education Network , Susan Kelmer , Joshua Hori Subject: Re: Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when companies using AI are too close to student data. Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Director eLearning Services Accessible IT Coordinator Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 eLearning Email: elearning@shoreline.edu Shoreline Support Center [Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM To: Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ] DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of images. Best, Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network , Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to take on the project. No thanks. So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Life T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Outlook-Shoreline .jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 28333 bytes Desc: Outlook-Shoreline .jpg URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 5 18:21:59 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Monica Olsson via athen-list) Date: Thu Feb 5 18:22:06 2026 Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on people's radar too! Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM To: Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer ; Joshua Hori Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [Sent from outside SBCTC] I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when companies using AI are too close to student data. Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Director eLearning Services Accessible IT Coordinator Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 eLearning Email: elearning@shoreline.edu Shoreline Support Center [Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM To: Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ] DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of images. Best, Joshua From: athen-list on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network , Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to take on the project. No thanks. So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Life T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And learning LaTeX, even for a math-impaired person like me is pretty easy. And there are tons of packages to convert LaTeX to accessible formats, depending on a student's needs. And there's Scientific notebook, though I only know about its use with Duxbury. Only 1 per cent of my print-impaired students know Braille anyway and even a half a per cent know Nemeth. And of course, APH just published a book on teaching math to blind and visually impaired K12 students, but that's not exactly what I need. Anyway, I'm not qualified to do any sort of training to math instructors. Can anyone recommend particular webinars or Youtube content? Remember this is not remediation: this is how to make their materials "born accessible". --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 6 09:02:14 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Kevin Andrews via athen-list) Date: Fri Feb 6 09:04:59 2026 Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jumping in with some lived-reality perspective from Georgetown, since we?re actively navigating this right now under pretty real austerity conditions. We have an Acrobat Pro *site license*, and I want to be clear for folks reading along: that solves licensing, not remediation. At scale, Acrobat helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually go. Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being very explicit about tradeoffs: - Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. - Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. - Vendor remediation often scopes *out* alt text, math, and complex figures unless you pay significantly more. - Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as *triage and lifecycle management*, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial conditions. No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list < athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and > thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know > about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI > tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect > if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) > they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of > getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of > worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on > people's radar too! > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list > *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM > *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology > Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < > Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>; Joshua Hori > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > * [Sent from outside SBCTC] * > > I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be > embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when > companies using AI are too close to student data. > > Thank you! > Amy > > *Amy Rovner, MPH RD* > Director eLearning Services > Accessible IT Coordinator > > *Shoreline Community College* > > *www.shoreline.edu * | 206.546.6937 > > eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 > > eLearning Email: *elearning@shoreline.edu * > > *Shoreline Support Center * > > > [image: Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list > *Sent:* Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM > *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology > Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < > Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. > Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > know the content is safe. ] > > DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt > tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of > images. > > Best, > > Joshua > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list > *Date: *Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu>, Susan Kelmer > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write > alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for > outsourcing PDFs at the time. > > Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder > and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, > so why waste time finding the best option? ? > > Sagan Wallace > > *they/them* > ------------------------------ > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > > [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and > attachments.] > I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! > > A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of > scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that > department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. > Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to > take on the project. > > No thanks. > > So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation > companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. > > *Susan Kelmer* > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > Disability Services > Division of Student Life > *T* 303 735 4836 > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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At scale, Acrobat > helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor > required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful > alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually > go. > > > Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation > internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to > ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being > very explicit about tradeoffs: > > - > > Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. > - > > Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. > - > > Vendor remediation often scopes *out* alt text, math, and complex > figures unless you pay significantly more. > - > > Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than > replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. > > > What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as *triage and lifecycle > management*, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / > high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest > with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial > conditions. > > > No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. > Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and >> thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know >> about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI >> tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect >> if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) >> they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of >> getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of >> worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on >> people's radar too! >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* athen-list on >> behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM >> *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology >> Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < >> Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>; Joshua Hori >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> * [Sent from outside SBCTC] * >> >> I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be >> embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when >> companies using AI are too close to student data. >> >> Thank you! >> Amy >> >> *Amy Rovner, MPH RD* >> Director eLearning Services >> Accessible IT Coordinator >> >> *Shoreline Community College* >> >> *www.shoreline.edu * | 206.546.6937 >> >> eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 >> >> eLearning Email: *elearning@shoreline.edu * >> >> *Shoreline Support Center * >> >> >> [image: Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* athen-list on >> behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list >> *Sent:* Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM >> *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology >> Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < >> Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community >> College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the >> sender and know the content is safe. ] >> >> DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt >> tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of >> images. >> >> Best, >> >> Joshua >> >> *From: *athen-list on >> behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM >> *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu>, Susan Kelmer >> *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not >> write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant >> for outsourcing PDFs at the time. >> >> Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder >> and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, >> so why waste time finding the best option? ? >> >> Sagan Wallace >> >> *they/them* >> ------------------------------ >> *From:* athen-list on >> behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> >> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and >> attachments.] >> I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! >> >> A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of >> scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that >> department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. >> Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to >> take on the project. >> >> No thanks. >> >> So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation >> companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >> Disability Services >> Division of Student Life >> *T* 303 735 4836 >> *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >> * >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > > > -- > Best Regards, > Kevin Andrews > Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator > University Information Services > Georgetown University > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -- Best, *WILL PINES*, *Disability Specialist* Accessible Technology Specialist Student Disability Resource Center *he/him/his* University of California, Riverside 900 University Avenue 1228 Student Services Building Riverside, CA 92521 Phone: 951-827-3861 | Email: wilbert.pines@ucr.edu Schedule an Appointment SDRC Web | Facebook | Instagram | Twitter ?A mind stretched by new experiences will never go back to its original dimensions.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Schedule a meeting with Kamran From: athen-list On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews via athen-list Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 12:02 PM To: Monica Olsson ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale External Email - Use Caution Jumping in with some lived-reality perspective from Georgetown, since we?re actively navigating this right now under pretty real austerity conditions. We have an Acrobat Pro site license, and I want to be clear for folks reading along: that solves licensing, not remediation. At scale, Acrobat helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually go. Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being very explicit about tradeoffs: * Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. * Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. * Vendor remediation often scopes out alt text, math, and complex figures unless you pay significantly more. * Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as triage and lifecycle management, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial conditions. No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list > wrote: Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on people's radar too! Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM To: Wallace, Sagan >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; Susan Kelmer >; Joshua Hori > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [Sent from outside SBCTC] I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when companies using AI are too close to student data. Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Director eLearning Services Accessible IT Coordinator Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 eLearning Email: elearning@shoreline.edu Shoreline Support Center [Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM To: Wallace, Sagan >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; Susan Kelmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ] DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of images. Best, Joshua From: athen-list > on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >, Susan Kelmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to take on the project. No thanks. So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. 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Name: image002.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 28333 bytes Desc: image002.jpg URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 6 09:45:24 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Kevin Andrews via athen-list) Date: Fri Feb 6 09:45:54 2026 Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for sharing this, Kamran ? always helpful to hear what?s working in practice. I?m curious about a few specifics, especially given the very strong claims PREP makes around compliance and scale: 1. *STEM complexity:* How does PREP handle documents with complex math, equations, and scientific figures in practice? In particular, what still requires manual human intervention versus what?s genuinely automated, and how is math accessibility (e.g., MathML, reading order, context) validated? 2. *Alt text and figures:* When PREP advertises ?fully compliant? output, how is meaningful alt text handled for charts, diagrams, and images? Is that AI-generated, human-reviewed, or expected to be supplied by the institution? This has been a major cost and quality driver for us. 3. *Verification and risk:* What does your QA or validation process look like before documents are considered compliant (PDF/UA, WCAG 2.x)? Are you doing independent testing with assistive technologies, or relying primarily on automated checkers? Asking because many of us are operating under significant budget constraints, and the difference between ?accelerates first pass? and ?reduces total human labor? really matters when making procurement decisions. Appreciate any detail you?re willing to share. On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 12:38?PM Kamran Rasul wrote: > Hi, > > > > We have been using Prep by Continual Engine > > > > > It has helped us remediate large volumes of PDFs with short turnarounds. > > > > Kamran Rasul, MEd. > > Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist (SDS) > > Phone: 410-516-1167 > > E-mail: krasul1@jhu.edu > > Garland Hall, 1st Floor, Office 135-G > > 3400 N. Charles Street > > Baltimore, MD 21218 > > Schedule a meeting with Kamran > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Kevin Andrews via athen-list > *Sent:* Friday, February 6, 2026 12:02 PM > *To:* Monica Olsson ; Access Technology Higher > Education Network > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > > > > * External Email - Use Caution * > > > > > > Jumping in with some lived-reality perspective from Georgetown, since > we?re actively navigating this right now under pretty real austerity > conditions. > > > > We have an Acrobat Pro *site license*, and I want to be clear for folks > reading along: that solves licensing, not remediation. At scale, Acrobat > helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor > required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful > alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually > go. > > > > Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation > internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to > ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being > very explicit about tradeoffs: > > - Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. > - Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. > - Vendor remediation often scopes *out* alt text, math, and complex > figures unless you pay significantly more. > - Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than > replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. > > > > What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as *triage and lifecycle > management*, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / > high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest > with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial > conditions. > > > > No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. > Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. > > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: > > Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and > thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know > about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI > tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect > if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) > they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of > getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of > worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on > people's radar too! > > > > Get Outlook for iOS > ------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list > *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM > *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology > Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < > Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>; Joshua Hori > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > > > *[Sent from outside SBCTC] * > > > > I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be > embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when > companies using AI are too close to student data. > > > > Thank you! > > Amy > > > > *Amy Rovner, MPH RD* > Director eLearning Services > Accessible IT Coordinator > > *Shoreline Community College* > > *www.shoreline.edu * | 206.546.6937 > > eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 > > eLearning Email: *elearning@shoreline.edu * > > *Shoreline Support Center * > > > > [image: Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] > ------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list > *Sent:* Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM > *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology > Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < > Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > > > *[ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community > College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the > sender and know the content is safe. ] * > > > > DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt > tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of > images. > > > > Best, > > > > Joshua > > > > *From: *athen-list on > behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list > *Date: *Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM > *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu>, Susan Kelmer > *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write > alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for > outsourcing PDFs at the time. > > > > Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder > and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, > so why waste time finding the best option? ? > > > > Sagan Wallace > > *they/them* > ------------------------------ > > *From:* athen-list on > behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale > > > > [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and > attachments.] > > I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! > > > > A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of > scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that > department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. > Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to > take on the project. > > > > No thanks. > > > > So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation > companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. > > > > *Susan Kelmer* > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student Life > > *T* 303 735 4836 > > *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices > * > > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > > > > > -- > > Best Regards, > > Kevin Andrews > > Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator > > University Information Services > Georgetown University > -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In my opinion, it's not as automated as it seems, though it can handle simple files extremely well. * Shawn ? [cid:7399dec2113ef66672488768298bf1bb] Shawn Jordison aka The Accessibility Guy - MS, Ed.D Phone: 530-238-5645 or Book a Free 15 minutes YouTube featuring Accessibility Tutorials [Sent from Front] On February 6, 2026 at 9:46 AM PST athen-list@u.washington.edu wrote: CAUTION: This email originated outside SMC. Thanks for sharing this, Kamran ? always helpful to hear what?s working in practice. I?m curious about a few specifics, especially given the very strong claims PREP makes around compliance and scale: 1. STEM complexity: How does PREP handle documents with complex math, equations, and scientific figures in practice? In particular, what still requires manual human intervention versus what?s genuinely automated, and how is math accessibility (e.g., MathML, reading order, context) validated? 2. Alt text and figures: When PREP advertises ?fully compliant? output, how is meaningful alt text handled for charts, diagrams, and images? Is that AI-generated, human-reviewed, or expected to be supplied by the institution? This has been a major cost and quality driver for us. 3. Verification and risk: What does your QA or validation process look like before documents are considered compliant (PDF/UA, WCAG 2.x)? Are you doing independent testing with assistive technologies, or relying primarily on automated checkers? Asking because many of us are operating under significant budget constraints, and the difference between ?accelerates first pass? and ?reduces total human labor? really matters when making procurement decisions. Appreciate any detail you?re willing to share. On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 12:38?PM Kamran Rasul > wrote: Hi, We have been using Prep by Continual Engine It has helped us remediate large volumes of PDFs with short turnarounds. [cid:ii_19c340e85514cff311] Kamran Rasul, MEd. Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist (SDS) Phone: 410-516-1167 E-mail: krasul1@jhu.edu Garland Hall, 1st Floor, Office 135-G 3400 N. Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Schedule a meeting with Kamran From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews via athen-list Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 12:02 PM To: Monica Olsson >; Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale External Email - Use Caution Jumping in with some lived-reality perspective from Georgetown, since we?re actively navigating this right now under pretty real austerity conditions. We have an Acrobat Pro site license, and I want to be clear for folks reading along: that solves licensing, not remediation. At scale, Acrobat helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually go. Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being very explicit about tradeoffs: * Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. * Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. * Vendor remediation often scopes out alt text, math, and complex figures unless you pay significantly more. * Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as triage and lifecycle management, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial conditions. No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list > wrote: Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on people's radar too! Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM To: Wallace, Sagan >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; Susan Kelmer >; Joshua Hori > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [Sent from outside SBCTC] I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when companies using AI are too close to student data. Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Director eLearning Services Accessible IT Coordinator Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 eLearning Email: elearning@shoreline.edu Shoreline Support Center [Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM To: Wallace, Sagan >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; Susan Kelmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ] DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of images. Best, Joshua From: athen-list > on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >, Susan Kelmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to take on the project. No thanks. So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Life T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 16012 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I?m often finding the original document was reasonably accessible, but then its creator ?printed? it to a PDF image and archived that, rather than archiving the original document. It is that attitude of archiving the PDF that creates the problem in the first place. I think it is the read-only nature of PDF files that makes them attractive including that they look just like the printed equivalent while saving paper. But you can always print the original document on an as-needed basis as well. The read-only nature of a PDF is attractive to teachers who don?t want their stuff altered, but everyone who remediates a PDF knows it?s not actually read-only. I wish epub was more popular! Working to change the attitudes of document creators costs more time than money. Often we have little of each, but with budget constraints, we can at least attempt to get people on board with creating accessible materials in the first place! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 6 09:56:09 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Kevin Andrews via athen-list) Date: Fri Feb 6 09:56:42 2026 Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks, Shawn, that comparison between PREP and DocAccess is especially helpful. I?m genuinely curious to dig a bit deeper on DocAccess, because the claims around ?fully automated? remediation are exactly what many of us are being asked about internally, often in the context of very large backlogs. A few specifics I?d love more clarity on, if you?re willing to share from real-world use: - *MathML in practice:* When DocAccess renders math via MathML automatically, how reliable is that output for complex equations and notation? Is there still a review step to confirm semantic accuracy and reading order with screen readers, or is it treated as production-ready out of the gate? - *Alt text and data tables:* You mentioned detailed alt text and auto-generated data tables for charts and graphs. How are those validated for *meaningfulness* and correctness? In your experience, does this still require subject-matter review, especially for instructional or scientific content? - *?No staff involvement?:* When you say faculty and staff don?t have to do anything, does that include QA and risk sign-off? Or is there still an implicit accessibility review happening somewhere in the workflow before content is considered compliant? Asking from a place of due diligence rather than skepticism ? the difference has big implications for cost, liability, and how we set expectations with leadership. Really appreciate you sharing concrete experience here. On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 12:50?PM JORDISON_SHAWN wrote: > Throwing in a +1 to DocAccess > > This tool can render math accessibly via MathML automatically. It also has > the ability to write detailed alternate text and will even provide data > tables for charts and graphs that do not have a data table. There's also > the ability to request a human check. It literally makes it to where > faculty and staff do not have to do anything to the document. It's quite > remarkable. > > For the PREP tool I have always found that I still have to do some extra > steps after the file gets out. In my opinion, it's not as automated as it > seems, though it can handle simple files extremely well. > > > - Shawn > > > ? > > *Shawn Jordison aka The Accessibility Guy - MS, Ed.D* > > Phone: 530-238-5645 or Book a Free 15 minutes > > YouTube featuring Accessibility Tutorials > > > [image: Sent from Front] > > On February 6, 2026 at 9:46 AM PST athen-list@u.washington.edu wrote: > > CAUTION: This email originated outside SMC. > > > Thanks for sharing this, Kamran ? always helpful to hear what?s working in > practice. > > > I?m curious about a few specifics, especially given the very strong claims > PREP makes around compliance and scale: > > 1. > > *STEM complexity:* How does PREP handle documents with complex math, > equations, and scientific figures in practice? In particular, what still > requires manual human intervention versus what?s genuinely automated, and > how is math accessibility (e.g., MathML, reading order, context) validated? > 2. > > *Alt text and figures:* When PREP advertises ?fully compliant? output, > how is meaningful alt text handled for charts, diagrams, and images? Is > that AI-generated, human-reviewed, or expected to be supplied by the > institution? This has been a major cost and quality driver for us. > 3. > > *Verification and risk:* What does your QA or validation process look > like before documents are considered compliant (PDF/UA, WCAG 2.x)? Are you > doing independent testing with assistive technologies, or relying primarily > on automated checkers? > > Asking because many of us are operating under significant budget > constraints, and the difference between ?accelerates first pass? and > ?reduces total human labor? really matters when making procurement > decisions. > > > Appreciate any detail you?re willing to share. > > On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 12:38?PM Kamran Rasul wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> >> >> We have been using Prep by Continual Engine >> >> >> >> >> It has helped us remediate large volumes of PDFs with short turnarounds. >> >> >> >> Kamran Rasul, MEd. >> >> Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist (SDS) >> >> Phone: 410-516-1167 >> >> E-mail: krasul1@jhu.edu >> >> Garland Hall, 1st Floor, Office 135-G >> >> 3400 N. Charles Street >> >> Baltimore, MD 21218 >> >> Schedule a meeting with Kamran >> >> >> >> >> *From:* athen-list *On >> Behalf Of *Kevin Andrews via athen-list >> *Sent:* Friday, February 6, 2026 12:02 PM >> *To:* Monica Olsson ; Access Technology Higher >> Education Network >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> >> >> >> * External Email - Use Caution * >> >> >> >> >> >> Jumping in with some lived-reality perspective from Georgetown, since >> we?re actively navigating this right now under pretty real austerity >> conditions. >> >> >> >> We have an Acrobat Pro *site license*, and I want to be clear for folks >> reading along: that solves licensing, not remediation. At scale, Acrobat >> helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor >> required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful >> alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually >> go. >> >> >> >> Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation >> internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to >> ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being >> very explicit about tradeoffs: >> >> - Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. >> - Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. >> - Vendor remediation often scopes *out* alt text, math, and complex >> figures unless you pay significantly more. >> - Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than >> replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. >> >> >> >> What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as *triage and lifecycle >> management*, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / >> high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest >> with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial >> conditions. >> >> >> >> No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. >> Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: >> >> Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and >> thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know >> about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI >> tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect >> if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) >> they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of >> getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of >> worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on >> people's radar too! >> >> >> >> Get Outlook for iOS >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* athen-list on >> behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list >> *Sent:* Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM >> *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology >> Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < >> Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>; Joshua Hori >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> >> >> *[Sent from outside SBCTC] * >> >> >> >> I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be >> embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when >> companies using AI are too close to student data. >> >> >> >> Thank you! >> >> Amy >> >> >> >> *Amy Rovner, MPH RD* >> Director eLearning Services >> Accessible IT Coordinator >> >> *Shoreline Community College* >> >> *www.shoreline.edu * | 206.546.6937 >> >> eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 >> >> eLearning Email: *elearning@shoreline.edu * >> >> *Shoreline Support Center * >> >> >> >> [image: Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* athen-list on >> behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list >> *Sent:* Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM >> *To:* Wallace, Sagan ; Access Technology >> Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < >> Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> >> *Subject:* Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> >> >> *[ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community >> College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the >> sender and know the content is safe. ] * >> >> >> >> DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt >> tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of >> images. >> >> >> >> Best, >> >> >> >> Joshua >> >> >> >> *From: *athen-list on >> behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list >> *Date: *Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM >> *To: *Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu>, Susan Kelmer >> *Subject: *Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not >> write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant >> for outsourcing PDFs at the time. >> >> >> >> Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder >> and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, >> so why waste time finding the best option? ? >> >> >> >> Sagan Wallace >> >> *they/them* >> ------------------------------ >> >> *From:* athen-list on >> behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list >> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM >> *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < >> athen-list@u.washington.edu> >> *Subject:* [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale >> >> >> >> [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and >> attachments.] >> >> I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! >> >> >> >> A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of >> scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that >> department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. >> Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to >> take on the project. >> >> >> >> No thanks. >> >> >> >> So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation >> companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. >> >> >> >> *Susan Kelmer* >> >> Alternate Format Production Program Manager >> >> Disability Services >> >> Division of Student Life >> >> *T* 303 735 4836 >> >> *www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices >> * >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Kevin Andrews >> >> Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator >> >> University Information Services >> Georgetown University >> > > > -- > Best Regards, > Kevin Andrews > Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator > University Information Services > Georgetown University > > -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I would argue that the OCR engine is better than ABBYY FineReader and is better than MathPix, both for the text and math respectively. It is treated as production-ready right out of the gate. * Where there are charts and graphs, it will often write the alternate text in a meaningful way based on the content around the image. We have tested it with calculus-level math, but I haven't done as much testing around chemistry and biology specifically. 2. I think you bring up a good point about alternate text being meaningful and correct. What I would say is that Doc Access leverages multiple checkpoints for the alternate text. If for some reason something isn't accurate, it's very easy to jump in and edit in their workbench area for that specific file. Because it leverages AI, you can add customizations to the alt text for your campus in particular, and it will learn from the logic you apply to apply a similar methodology when generating alt text for future graphics. * We have run this tool through the ringer with extremely complex files. While I will say it's not totally perfect, it's better than any tool I have ever seen. * I would also advocate for a human check regardless, especially for scientific data. * It doesn't simply slap the image into ChatGPT and provide alt text; it's more comprehensive than that. What I have noticed is that it's very factual about the image, but interpretive enough that it still makes sense for the user. * One other component is that this can be customized based on where the tool is running (for example, in Canvas versus the public-facing content). 3. There can be a review process implemented automatically for pages that it flags as something that it had trouble understanding. It also gives you a breakdown of what exactly qualifies something to be flagged. When I say there is no faculty involvement, I mean that with the sheer volume of PDFs in courses, the faculty do not have to do anything specific for this tool to work its magic. They basically just upload files into Canvas like they normally do, and DocAccess handles all of the complex remediation from PDF to HTML without any user involvement. Now, if they want to jump in behind the scenes and make updates, they totally can, but it's not a requirement. To be clear, DocAccess does not remediate PDFs, it provides an accessible HTML view (which can be downloaded too). * Shawn ? [cid:7399dec2113ef66672488768298bf1bb] Shawn Jordison aka The Accessibility Guy - MS, Ed.D Phone: 530-238-5645 or Book a Free 15 minutes YouTube featuring Accessibility Tutorials [Sent from Front] On February 6, 2026 at 9:56 AM PST ka791@georgetown.edu wrote: CAUTION: This email originated outside SMC. Thanks, Shawn, that comparison between PREP and DocAccess is especially helpful. I?m genuinely curious to dig a bit deeper on DocAccess, because the claims around ?fully automated? remediation are exactly what many of us are being asked about internally, often in the context of very large backlogs. A few specifics I?d love more clarity on, if you?re willing to share from real-world use: * MathML in practice: When DocAccess renders math via MathML automatically, how reliable is that output for complex equations and notation? Is there still a review step to confirm semantic accuracy and reading order with screen readers, or is it treated as production-ready out of the gate? * Alt text and data tables: You mentioned detailed alt text and auto-generated data tables for charts and graphs. How are those validated for meaningfulness and correctness? In your experience, does this still require subject-matter review, especially for instructional or scientific content? * ?No staff involvement?: When you say faculty and staff don?t have to do anything, does that include QA and risk sign-off? Or is there still an implicit accessibility review happening somewhere in the workflow before content is considered compliant? Asking from a place of due diligence rather than skepticism ? the difference has big implications for cost, liability, and how we set expectations with leadership. Really appreciate you sharing concrete experience here. On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 12:50?PM JORDISON_SHAWN > wrote: Throwing in a +1 to DocAccess This tool can render math accessibly via MathML automatically. It also has the ability to write detailed alternate text and will even provide data tables for charts and graphs that do not have a data table. There's also the ability to request a human check. It literally makes it to where faculty and staff do not have to do anything to the document. It's quite remarkable. For the PREP tool I have always found that I still have to do some extra steps after the file gets out. In my opinion, it's not as automated as it seems, though it can handle simple files extremely well. * Shawn ? [cid:ii_19c3417b5b1fd9a4fbc3] Shawn Jordison aka The Accessibility Guy - MS, Ed.D Phone: 530-238-5645 or Book a Free 15 minutes YouTube featuring Accessibility Tutorials [Sent from Front] On February 6, 2026 at 9:46 AM PST athen-list@u.washington.edu wrote: CAUTION: This email originated outside SMC. Thanks for sharing this, Kamran ? always helpful to hear what?s working in practice. I?m curious about a few specifics, especially given the very strong claims PREP makes around compliance and scale: 1. STEM complexity: How does PREP handle documents with complex math, equations, and scientific figures in practice? In particular, what still requires manual human intervention versus what?s genuinely automated, and how is math accessibility (e.g., MathML, reading order, context) validated? 2. Alt text and figures: When PREP advertises ?fully compliant? output, how is meaningful alt text handled for charts, diagrams, and images? Is that AI-generated, human-reviewed, or expected to be supplied by the institution? This has been a major cost and quality driver for us. 3. Verification and risk: What does your QA or validation process look like before documents are considered compliant (PDF/UA, WCAG 2.x)? Are you doing independent testing with assistive technologies, or relying primarily on automated checkers? Asking because many of us are operating under significant budget constraints, and the difference between ?accelerates first pass? and ?reduces total human labor? really matters when making procurement decisions. Appreciate any detail you?re willing to share. On Fri, Feb 6, 2026 at 12:38?PM Kamran Rasul > wrote: Hi, We have been using Prep by Continual Engine It has helped us remediate large volumes of PDFs with short turnarounds. [cid:ii_19c3417b5b04cff311] Kamran Rasul, MEd. Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist (SDS) Phone: 410-516-1167 E-mail: krasul1@jhu.edu Garland Hall, 1st Floor, Office 135-G 3400 N. Charles Street Baltimore, MD 21218 Schedule a meeting with Kamran From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Kevin Andrews via athen-list Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 12:02 PM To: Monica Olsson >; Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale External Email - Use Caution Jumping in with some lived-reality perspective from Georgetown, since we?re actively navigating this right now under pretty real austerity conditions. We have an Acrobat Pro site license, and I want to be clear for folks reading along: that solves licensing, not remediation. At scale, Acrobat helps with OCR and basic tagging, but it does not eliminate the human labor required for structure, reading order, tables, math, figures, or meaningful alt text?especially for STEM content. That?s where time and money actually go. Budget is a huge constraint for us at the moment, so the conversation internally has had to shift from ?how do we make everything accessible? to ?how do we make defensible, impact-driven decisions.? That?s meant being very explicit about tradeoffs: * Not all legacy PDFs are equal in risk or usage. * Automated tools are, at best, a first pass?not an end state. * Vendor remediation often scopes out alt text, math, and complex figures unless you pay significantly more. * Retrofitting thousands of documents is often more expensive than replacing or re-authoring the most critical ones over time. What?s been most helpful for us is framing this as triage and lifecycle management, not a one-time cleanup project: prioritizing high-use / high-risk materials, de-emphasizing low-traffic archives, and being honest with stakeholders about what?s achievable under current financial conditions. No silver bullets here?just hard constraints and deliberate choices. Sharing in case it?s useful context for others facing the same pressures. On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 9:22?PM Monica Olsson via athen-list > wrote: Hi Amy, I plan to send you a document about Doc Access and security and thought that I had stated this in a prior email. Not a lot of folks know about the tool yet, in fact we (SBCTC) are they very reason a Canvas LTI tool even exists for the Doc Access tool. They built it for us :) I expect if our trial is successful and the tool is used at scale (really any scale) they will see a ton of higher ed clients over night?but we are kind of getting in at the beta stage. So, your inquiry to ATHEN may open a can of worms that I'm not entirely prepared for, but I guess it puts the tool on people's radar too! Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Amy Rovner via athen-list > Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2026 5:46:49 PM To: Wallace, Sagan >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; Susan Kelmer >; Joshua Hori > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [Sent from outside SBCTC] I'm very interested in the security of DocAccess. I hear that it can be embedded in Canvas. Is that how you are using it? I'm very suspect when companies using AI are too close to student data. Thank you! Amy Amy Rovner, MPH RD Director eLearning Services Accessible IT Coordinator Shoreline Community College www.shoreline.edu | 206.546.6937 eLearning Office: 206.546.6966 eLearning Email: elearning@shoreline.edu Shoreline Support Center [Shoreline logo with tagline, Engage. Achieve.] ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Joshua Hori via athen-list > Sent: Monday, February 2, 2026 2:56 PM To: Wallace, Sagan >; Access Technology Higher Education Network >; Susan Kelmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [ CAUTION: This email originated from outside Shoreline Community College. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ] DocAccess has been looking very interesting. They not only use AI for alt tags but also integrate with AIRA.io to provide human audio descriptions of images. Best, Joshua From: athen-list > on behalf of Wallace, Sagan via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 at 8:16?AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network >, Susan Kelmer > Subject: Re: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale So far everyone I've looked at will do large-scale projects, but not write alt text (though they'll include it if you write it). I used Allyant for outsourcing PDFs at the time. Since I'm feeling snarky....why not just dump them in an ABBYY hot folder and call it a day? They're not going to make accessible STEM PDFs anyway, so why waste time finding the best option? ? Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Susan Kelmer via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2026 6:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Rec's for PDF remediation on a giant scale [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] I hope everyone's semester has gotten off to a bang-up start! A department on my campus has a enormous stockpile of scientific/engineering-type PDFs that are publicly available, and that department wants to undertake turning them all into accessible documents. Yes, they really want to do this, and first they asked me if I wanted to take on the project. No thanks. So I'm looking for recommendations for any large-scale PDF remediation companies that could do this kind of work. Please and thanks. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student Life T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices _______________________________________________ athen-list mailing list athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -- Best Regards, Kevin Andrews Electronic and Information Technology Accessibility Coordinator University Information Services Georgetown University -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And the google development playground is pretty accessible too. More and more universities are partnering with Google to get discounted Pro accounts for education; so it's another way to serve your students who may learn best with material read out loud. You can also attach an audio clip of the AI describing an image which I just did for fun with a classroom handout. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Fri Feb 6 16:01:55 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) via athen-list) Date: Fri Feb 6 16:02:00 2026 Subject: [Athen] Looking for a book - From Gutenberg to OpenType Message-ID: Hey all, Does anyone have a remediated copy of: From Gutenberg to OpenType: An Illustrated History of Type from the Earliest Letterforms to the Latest Digital Fonts Author ? Robin Dodd Publisher - Hartley and Marks Publishers ISBN: 978-0881792102 The book is out of publication, so not able to get anything from the publisher. We?ve scanned the book, but it?s proving to be a nightmare to clean up, so hoping maybe someone else has already done the work. ? Thanks, Eric Matson | Assistant Director - Assistive Technology & Accommodation Operations Center for Disability Access and Resources Division of Student Affairs The University of Idaho Phone: 208.885.6307 | ecmatson@uidaho.edu| Message me on Teams Bruce M. Pitman Center 127 Fax: 208.885.9404 Campus Zip: 4257 Treasurer ? Idaho Partnership on Higher Education and Disability Pronouns: He / Him / His This communication, including any attachments, is intended solely for the entity or individual(s) to whom it is addressed and may contain confidential information. If you have received this message in error, please notify me immediately and delete this message. 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Worst case scenario, if a different format is needed, I have also used it as a base to create accessible versions using AI tools. Best, Ramya Ramya Karthikeyan Alternative Format Specialist UCLA Center for Accessible Education 310-825-1501 (CAE line) http://www.cae.ucla.edu/ ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Matson, Eric (ecmatson@uidaho.edu) via athen-list Sent: Friday, February 6, 2026 4:01 PM To: 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' Subject: [Athen] Looking for a book - From Gutenberg to OpenType Hey all, Does anyone have a remediated copy of: From Gutenberg to OpenType: An Illustrated History of Type from the Earliest Letterforms to the Latest Digital Fonts Author ? Robin Dodd Publisher - Hartley and Marks Publishers ISBN: 978-0881792102 The book is out of publication, so not able to get anything from the publisher. We?ve scanned the book, but it?s proving to be a nightmare to clean up, so hoping maybe someone else has already done the work. ? 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Davidson via athen-list) Date: Mon Feb 9 10:32:16 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any ideas on a good Flatbed scanner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Chris, We do use some flatbed scanners for resource sharing/document delivery. Scanning books and other materials. Most of the time we use a few ScannX Book ScanCenter setups, although we do also sometimes use stand alone Epson Expression 13000XL Archival Scanner for some higher resolution or special size items. Larger books/materials we often use KIC BookEye overhead scanners. The ScannX and Epson Expression scanners do scan reasonably fast. The ScannX system can scan to drive, cloud, or to email. I think we are satisfied with these for the most part, but also will always keep other options/vendors in mind. Joanna From: athen-list On Behalf Of chris Coppess via athen-list Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2026 9:53 AM To: athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] Any ideas on a good Flatbed scanner? Folks I don't know if anyone is using flatbed scanners these days for scanning books, but we are going to start looking around. Does anyone have a flatbed scanner that they like? Looking for one that scans at least 300 DPI and has a fast scan speed. Thanks Chris Coppess coppessc@westerntc.edu Access Services -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 9 13:10:29 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Xanth King via athen-list) Date: Mon Feb 9 13:10:45 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any ideas on a good Flatbed scanner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey chris, You should get a Plustek Optibook A300 Plus . If a book has small text, you'll actually need to go to 400 or 600 DPI or you'll waste hours correcting OCR results. They run about $1,500. Ours has been providing good, speedy results for the last 15 years. Alternatively, if you are able to remove the spine with a guillotine , then I recommend a high-speed CanonIMAGEFORMULA production scanner . This is a standard recommendation for higher education. New they will cost from $5,000 to $20,000. We are currently using a DR-X10C . It is an older model, but aside from some minor servicing (replacing worn-out rollers and pads) it has served us just as well as the Plustek these 15 years. The advantage of high-speed scanners is that they can scan both sides of the page at once. The IMAGEFORMULA line is extremely fast and provides high DPI. We re-bind our books with a Fastback 20 . If you get either of these scanners, I can provide some information on their best use if you'd like. Let me know if you have any questions! Have a good one! *Xanth King* Accessible Formats Technology Specialist Pronouns: They/Them/Theirs Disabled Students Program Creekside Center/Dwinelle Hall Annex On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 6:53?AM chris Coppess via athen-list < athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: > Folks > > I don't know if anyone is using flatbed scanners these days for scanning > books, but we are going to start looking around. Does anyone have a flatbed > scanner that they like? Looking for one that scans at least 300 DPI and has > a fast scan speed. > > Thanks > > Chris Coppess > coppessc@westerntc.edu > Access Services > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Natalie Natalie Reiners, MS, CRC Assistant Director Educational Access Center Boise State University Appointment Scheduling: click to schedule here Phone: (208) 426-1083 EAC Office: (208) 426-1583 Fax: (208)-426-1008 Email: nataliereiners@boisestate.edu Mail: 1910 University Drive, Boise, ID 83725-1372 Location: 1607 University Dr (first floor Lincoln Office Suites) Web: boisestate.edu/eac -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 12 10:43:54 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Bishop, Jeff - (jeffbis) via athen-list) Date: Thu Feb 12 10:44:14 2026 Subject: [Athen] Announcing a major change for the ATHEN list ... Message-ID: Hello ATHEN Community, Big news: the ATHEN list is getting a new home! Over the next few weeks, we'll be moving the list to Groups.io-including our membership and (as quickly as possible) our archived history-so we can keep everything we love about ATHEN while gaining some great new capabilities. What's changing? In simple terms: we're moving providers. We'll be migrating the full userbase to Groups.io, and we're also prioritizing the migration of our historical archives so the knowledge and conversations that shaped ATHEN remain available for everyone. Key dates and what to expect Saturday, February 28, 2026 The current ATHEN list will be placed into read-only mode. * You'll still be able to browse and search past messages as you do today * Posting and new subscriptions will be disabled Weekend of February 28 - March 1 Your admin team will be hard at work migrating everything to Groups.io. As soon as all members are successfully in place on the new platform, we'll open the new list for posting and participation. Archive migration We'll be coordinating directly with the Groups.io team to bring over our historical archives. This portion may take a bit longer, but it is a top priority, and we'll keep you updated as milestones are reached. What happens when the new list goes live? Once the Groups.io list is active, we'll send a welcome message with: * Exactly how to post and participate * Helpful tips for getting started * A quick tour of new features like calendars, file storage, and more Questions? If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out anytime at board@athenpro.org. A Sincere Thank You We'd like to offer our heartfelt thanks to the University of Washington for hosting the ATHEN list for so many years. Their openness, generosity, and unwavering commitment to accessibility and inclusion have made this partnership truly special. We're deeply grateful for the relationship we've built-and we're excited to continue working together as we collaborate on future initiatives. 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Hello ATHEN Community, Big news: the ATHEN list is getting a new home! Over the next few weeks, we?ll be moving the list to Groups.io?including our membership and (as quickly as possible) our archived history?so we can keep everything we love about ATHEN while gaining some great new capabilities. What?s changing? In simple terms: we?re moving providers. We?ll be migrating the full userbase to Groups.io, and we?re also prioritizing the migration of our historical archives so the knowledge and conversations that shaped ATHEN remain available for everyone. Key dates and what to expect Saturday, February 28, 2026 The current ATHEN list will be placed into read-only mode. * You?ll still be able to browse and search past messages as you do today * Posting and new subscriptions will be disabled Weekend of February 28 ? March 1 Your admin team will be hard at work migrating everything to Groups.io. As soon as all members are successfully in place on the new platform, we?ll open the new list for posting and participation. Archive migration We?ll be coordinating directly with the Groups.io team to bring over our historical archives. This portion may take a bit longer, but it is a top priority, and we?ll keep you updated as milestones are reached. What happens when the new list goes live? Once the Groups.io list is active, we?ll send a welcome message with: * Exactly how to post and participate * Helpful tips for getting started * A quick tour of new features like calendars, file storage, and more Questions? If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out anytime at board@athenpro.org. A Sincere Thank You We?d like to offer our heartfelt thanks to the University of Washington for hosting the ATHEN list for so many years. Their openness, generosity, and unwavering commitment to accessibility and inclusion have made this partnership truly special. We?re deeply grateful for the relationship we?ve built?and we?re excited to continue working together as we collaborate on future initiatives. Thank you, University of Washington. You?ve been incredible partners and genuine superstars! In Conclusion Thanks for being part of what makes ATHEN such a vibrant, generous, and brilliant community. Stay tuned?this is going to be a fun upgrade! Warmly, Jeff Bishop ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 12 11:30:19 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (chris Coppess via athen-list) Date: Thu Feb 12 11:30:34 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any ideas on a good Flatbed scanner? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you everyone I will look into these options. Chris Coppess On Mon, Feb 9, 2026 at 3:10?PM Xanth King wrote: > Hey chris, > > You should get a Plustek Optibook A300 Plus > . If > a book has small text, you'll actually need to go to 400 or 600 DPI or > you'll waste hours correcting OCR results. > > They run about $1,500. Ours has been providing good, speedy results for > the last 15 years. > > Alternatively, if you are able to remove the spine with a guillotine > , > then I recommend a high-speed CanonIMAGEFORMULA production scanner > . > This is a standard recommendation for higher education. > > New they will cost from $5,000 to $20,000. We are currently using a > DR-X10C > . > It is an older model, but aside from some minor servicing (replacing > worn-out rollers and pads) it has served us just as well as the Plustek > these 15 years. > > The advantage of high-speed scanners is that they can scan both sides of > the page at once. The IMAGEFORMULA line is extremely fast and provides > high DPI. > > We re-bind our books with a Fastback 20 > . > > If you get either of these scanners, I can provide some information on > their best use if you'd like. > > Let me know if you have any questions! > > Have a good one! > > *Xanth King* > Accessible Formats Technology Specialist > Pronouns: They/Them/Theirs > Disabled Students Program > Creekside Center/Dwinelle Hall Annex > > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2026 at 6:53?AM chris Coppess via athen-list < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: > >> Folks >> >> I don't know if anyone is using flatbed scanners these days for scanning >> books, but we are going to start looking around. Does anyone have a flatbed >> scanner that they like? Looking for one that scans at least 300 DPI and has >> a fast scan speed. >> >> Thanks >> >> Chris Coppess >> coppessc@westerntc.edu >> Access Services >> _______________________________________________ >> athen-list mailing list >> athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu >> http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Mon Feb 16 08:53:29 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Karl Groves via athen-list) Date: Mon Feb 16 08:53:46 2026 Subject: [Athen] Auditors: How long does it take you to test? Message-ID: Please, if you can take a moment, I?ve created a poll on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/posts/karlgroves_i-am-interested-in-knowing-how-long-a-typical-activity-7429204773192605696-E10B?utm_source=share&utm_medium=member_desktop&rcm=ACoAAABrq0YBC7_0DjA_0-6v600BMbTe-_QeoF4 If LinkedIn isn?t your thing, I also have it on Mastodon https://mastodon.social/@karlgroves/116081329589712802 Obviously, please do not answer both. TIA -- Karl Groves www.karlgroves.com @karlgroves http://www.linkedin.com/in/karlgroves Phone: +1 443.875.7343 From athen-list at u.washington.edu Tue Feb 17 13:11:38 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Monica Olsson via athen-list) Date: Tue Feb 17 13:11:43 2026 Subject: [Athen] Announcing a major change for the ATHEN list ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jeff, Is there anything that members need to do immediately with the email list or our accounts in response to this change? Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges ?Email: molsson@sbctc.edu ? Phone: 360-704-3922 The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Bishop, Jeff - (jeffbis) via athen-list Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2026 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Announcing a major change for the ATHEN list ... [Sent from outside SBCTC] Hello ATHEN Community, Big news: the ATHEN list is getting a new home! Over the next few weeks, we?ll be moving the list to Groups.io?including our membership and (as quickly as possible) our archived history?so we can keep everything we love about ATHEN while gaining some great new capabilities. What?s changing? In simple terms: we?re moving providers. We?ll be migrating the full userbase to Groups.io, and we?re also prioritizing the migration of our historical archives so the knowledge and conversations that shaped ATHEN remain available for everyone. Key dates and what to expect Saturday, February 28, 2026 The current ATHEN list will be placed into read-only mode. * You?ll still be able to browse and search past messages as you do today * Posting and new subscriptions will be disabled Weekend of February 28 ? March 1 Your admin team will be hard at work migrating everything to Groups.io. As soon as all members are successfully in place on the new platform, we?ll open the new list for posting and participation. Archive migration We?ll be coordinating directly with the Groups.io team to bring over our historical archives. This portion may take a bit longer, but it is a top priority, and we?ll keep you updated as milestones are reached. What happens when the new list goes live? Once the Groups.io list is active, we?ll send a welcome message with: * Exactly how to post and participate * Helpful tips for getting started * A quick tour of new features like calendars, file storage, and more Questions? If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out anytime at board@athenpro.org. A Sincere Thank You We?d like to offer our heartfelt thanks to the University of Washington for hosting the ATHEN list for so many years. Their openness, generosity, and unwavering commitment to accessibility and inclusion have made this partnership truly special. We?re deeply grateful for the relationship we?ve built?and we?re excited to continue working together as we collaborate on future initiatives. Thank you, University of Washington. You?ve been incredible partners and genuine superstars! In Conclusion Thanks for being part of what makes ATHEN such a vibrant, generous, and brilliant community. Stay tuned?this is going to be a fun upgrade! 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Phone: 360-704-3922 The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web ________________________________ From: athen-list > on behalf of Bishop, Jeff - (jeffbis) via athen-list > Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2026 10:43 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Announcing a major change for the ATHEN list ... [Sent from outside SBCTC] Hello ATHEN Community, Big news: the ATHEN list is getting a new home! Over the next few weeks, we?ll be moving the list to Groups.io?including our membership and (as quickly as possible) our archived history?so we can keep everything we love about ATHEN while gaining some great new capabilities. What?s changing? In simple terms: we?re moving providers. We?ll be migrating the full userbase to Groups.io, and we?re also prioritizing the migration of our historical archives so the knowledge and conversations that shaped ATHEN remain available for everyone. Key dates and what to expect Saturday, February 28, 2026 The current ATHEN list will be placed into read-only mode. * You?ll still be able to browse and search past messages as you do today * Posting and new subscriptions will be disabled Weekend of February 28 ? March 1 Your admin team will be hard at work migrating everything to Groups.io. As soon as all members are successfully in place on the new platform, we?ll open the new list for posting and participation. Archive migration We?ll be coordinating directly with the Groups.io team to bring over our historical archives. This portion may take a bit longer, but it is a top priority, and we?ll keep you updated as milestones are reached. What happens when the new list goes live? Once the Groups.io list is active, we?ll send a welcome message with: * Exactly how to post and participate * Helpful tips for getting started * A quick tour of new features like calendars, file storage, and more Questions? If you have any questions or concerns, please reach out anytime at board@athenpro.org. A Sincere Thank You We?d like to offer our heartfelt thanks to the University of Washington for hosting the ATHEN list for so many years. Their openness, generosity, and unwavering commitment to accessibility and inclusion have made this partnership truly special. We?re deeply grateful for the relationship we?ve built?and we?re excited to continue working together as we collaborate on future initiatives. Thank you, University of Washington. You?ve been incredible partners and genuine superstars! In Conclusion Thanks for being part of what makes ATHEN such a vibrant, generous, and brilliant community. Stay tuned?this is going to be a fun upgrade! 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Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I'm working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I've already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn't reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image002.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image004.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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We've had some success with using the Microsoft Word document as the format David Vrooman [cid:8f273fb9-5a7f-46ef-b630-c54d28e4b45a] Learning Support Services - Assistive Technology Specialist Washtenaw Community College 4800 E. Huron River Drive, LA 115 Ann Arbor, MI 48105 email dvrooman@wccnet.edu ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [EXTERNAL] [Athen] NVDA and Calculus ** WARNING: This email originated from outside of the WCC organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. ** I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this is important What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents to make the math readable. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this is important What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents to make the math readable. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image002.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image004.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:18a38f66-6f4e-4d8e-8df6-49d758caae61] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:e73da8dd-2dd1-4f68-a769-55b8e05a0287] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Wallace, Sagan Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 10:58 AM To: Susan Kelmer ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Geraldine Mendiola Subject: Re: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from sagan.wallace@oregonstate.edu. Learn why this is important Does your version of NVDA have the mathCAT add-on installed? Also, what browser are you using to read the html content? Another troubleshooting step could be to re-install NVDA, sometimes things are just quirky in the background and need to be re-set. Good luck! Sagan Wallace they/them ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:41 AM To: Susan Kelmer ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [This email originated from outside of OSU. Use caution with links and attachments.] It's in a html format. 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Susan Kelmer Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this is important What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents to make the math readable. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image002.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image004.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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I'm guessing you also need an NVDA add-on, see again section 7 for details. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 6:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus I'm working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I've already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn't reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image001.png@01DCA0B5.CBFAAC80] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image003.png@01DCA0B5.CBFAAC80] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:209a7bc3-8137-45c4-8947-6b4f9335dc76] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:92a20b11-55f4-4e96-8be3-0401f6e34912] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Deborah Armstrong Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 11:06 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu. Learn why this is important It could seem obvious, but do ensure you are running the latest NVDA. And read section 7 of the user guide. I?m guessing you also need an NVDA add-on, see again section 7 for details. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 6:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image001.png@01DCA0B5.CBFAAC80] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image003.png@01DCA0B5.CBFAAC80] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. 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From: athen-list On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. 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From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 6:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus I'm working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I've already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn't reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient of this transmission or their authorized agent, you are hereby notified that any distribution, disclosure, printing, copying, storage, modification, or the taking of any action in reliance upon this transmission is strictly prohibited. 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Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA Accessibility Coordinator University of Tennessee Libraries 1015 Volunteer Boulevard Knoxville, TN 37996-1000 865-974-0011 lmosley1@utk.edu Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley [The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joshua Hori via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 12:16 PM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus Hello Geraldine, Mathjax displays as SVG by default in browsers, which is inaccessible. Right click (Shift+F10) on the equation, then alter the mathjax settings: Math Setttings -> Math Renderer -> MathML HTML+CSS also works. CHTML is a new one I?ve seen used which places math in a table, but it plays very nicely with screenreaders. Best, Joshua Hori From: athen-list > on behalf of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 7:43?AM To: Susan Kelmer >, Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus It's in a html format. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Susan Kelmer > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola >; Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this is important What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents to make the math readable. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image009.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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I am not sure about the answer but I wager to guess that most people don't know about the MathJax rending issue and manually changing the settings to render as MathML. Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges ?Email: molsson@sbctc.edu ? Phone: 360-704-3922 The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Mosley, Leigh via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:41 AM To: Joshua Hori ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Geraldine Mendiola ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [Sent from outside SBCTC] Hi Joshua, Thanks for that tip about manually adjusting the Mathjax settings. I ran into that problem just last week for the first time (or it was the first time I had actually noticed it). Previously in my testing, NVDA with MathCat had just read out the equations by default. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether requiring the screen reader user to (somehow) know to adjust the Mathjax settings to get the equations to read properly is itself a WCAG violation? Thanks! Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA Accessibility Coordinator University of Tennessee Libraries 1015 Volunteer Boulevard Knoxville, TN 37996-1000 865-974-0011 lmosley1@utk.edu Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley [The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joshua Hori via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 12:16 PM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus Hello Geraldine, Mathjax displays as SVG by default in browsers, which is inaccessible. Right click (Shift+F10) on the equation, then alter the mathjax settings: Math Setttings -> Math Renderer -> MathML HTML+CSS also works. CHTML is a new one I?ve seen used which places math in a table, but it plays very nicely with screenreaders. Best, Joshua Hori From: athen-list > on behalf of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 7:43?AM To: Susan Kelmer >, Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus It's in a html format. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Susan Kelmer > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola >; Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this is important What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents to make the math readable. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image009.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM To: athen-list@u.washington.edu Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus [External email - use caution] I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the intended recipient(s). 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Best regards, Joshua Hori From: Mosley, Leigh Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 9:42?AM To: Joshua Hori , Access Technology Higher Education Network , Geraldine Mendiola , Susan Kelmer Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus Hi Joshua, Thanks for that tip about manually adjusting the Mathjax settings. I ran into that problem just last week for the first time (or it was the first time I had actually noticed it). Previously in my testing, NVDA with MathCat had just read out the equations by default. Does anyone have any thoughts on whether requiring the screen reader user to (somehow) know to adjust the Mathjax settings to get the equations to read properly is itself a WCAG violation? Thanks! Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA Accessibility Coordinator University of Tennessee Libraries 1015 Volunteer Boulevard Knoxville, TN 37996-1000 865-974-0011 lmosley1@utk.edu Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley [The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo] From: athen-list On Behalf Of Joshua Hori via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 12:16 PM To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher Education Network ; Susan Kelmer Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus Hello Geraldine, Mathjax displays as SVG by default in browsers, which is inaccessible. Right click (Shift+F10) on the equation, then alter the mathjax settings: Math Setttings -> Math Renderer -> MathML HTML+CSS also works. CHTML is a new one I?ve seen used which places math in a table, but it plays very nicely with screenreaders. Best, Joshua Hori From: athen-list > on behalf of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 7:43?AM To: Susan Kelmer >, Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus It's in a html format. Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. Thank you, Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT Coordinator, Testing Services Disability Resources Student Success Center Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 Jacksonville State University P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 The Friendliest Campus in the South WWW.JSU.EDU [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE PLEASE READ CAREFULLY This message and any attached documents contain information that may be confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under applicable state or federal law. 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Thank you. ________________________________ From: Susan Kelmer > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM To: Geraldine Mendiola >; Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this is important What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents to make the math readable. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image009.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. 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URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Thu Feb 19 10:05:56 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Travis Demontigny via athen-list) Date: Thu Feb 19 10:06:16 2026 Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus (Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I'm not sure if this will help your situation, but we do the following. We make sure that the equations are input properly in the MS Word Equation Editor. We then select the settings in NVDA to have it read math in MS Word docx. To change settings, go to NVDA's Advanced settings and see what the value is for: "Use UI Automation to access Microsoft Word document controls" in NVDA When "Always" is selected, you get MS Word Math but not MathType math "Default (Where Suitable)" and "Only when necessary" causes NVDA to read MathType math but not MS Word Math. The internal workings of "Default" have changed with different versions of NVDA, the user experience with the default value may differ depending on the NVDA version. These NVDA instructions were copied from a list serve, so trouble shooting past that is beyond me. It has also been about a year since we have had a student that uses a screen reader, so I'm not sure if this would need an update. Thanks, Travis DeMontigny Alternate Format & Testing Specialist Center for Accessible Resources Lane Community College (541) 463-5150 Fax: (541)-463-4739 http://www.lanecc.edu/disability On Wed, Feb 18, 2026 at 9:42?AM via athen-list wrote: > Send athen-list mailing list submissions to > athen-list@u.washington.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > athen-list-request@mailman22.u.washington.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > athen-list-owner@mailman22.u.washington.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of athen-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: NVDA and Calculus (Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list) > 2. Re: NVDA and Calculus (Joshua Hori via athen-list) > 3. Re: NVDA and Calculus (via athen-list) > 4. Re: NVDA and Calculus (Mosley, Leigh via athen-list) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2026 17:10:11 +0000 > From: Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > To: Deborah Armstrong , Access Technology > Higher Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > Message-ID: > < > BN7PR03MB37153E163ABC7648B3EFFB0FA26AA@BN7PR03MB3715.namprd03.prod.outlook.com > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Thank you. > > > Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > WWW.JSU.EDU > > > [cid:209a7bc3-8137-45c4-8947-6b4f9335dc76] > > > > [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] > [cid:92a20b11-55f4-4e96-8be3-0401f6e34912] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. 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Thank you. > ________________________________ > From: Deborah Armstrong > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 11:06 AM > To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher > Education Network > Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus > > You don't often get email from armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu. Learn why this > is important > > It could seem obvious, but do ensure you are running the latest NVDA. And > read section 7 of the user guide. > > I?m guessing you also need an NVDA add-on, see again section 7 for details. > > > > > > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 6:27 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > > > I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus > exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I > tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it > reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? > I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still > isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > WWW.JSU.EDU< > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jsu.edu/__;!!A-B3JKCz!GUQh9EnNa87aax2ZS_G0RsdlLQ93HDwRMvsfsb1eJguAXqShykxj1JaaNzZ8x8MGaUFw8jUnssz8l5if6cNPZmJwVmPgo_drrNE$ > > > > > > [cid:image001.png@01DCA0B5.CBFAAC80] > > > > [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] > [cid:image003.png@01DCA0B5.CBFAAC80] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. 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CHTML is a new one I?ve seen used which places math > in a table, but it plays very nicely with screenreaders. > > Best, > > Joshua Hori > > From: athen-list on > behalf of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 7:43?AM > To: Susan Kelmer , Access Technology Higher > Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > It's in a html format. > > > Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > WWW.JSU.EDU > > > [cid:977762c7-d40e-44f4-9507-c18a13bd9964] > > > > [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] > [cid:9fb51d47-b034-4e68-929f-76c7ce99e553] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. 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Thank you. > ________________________________ > From: Susan Kelmer > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM > To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher > Education Network > Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus > > You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu. Learn why this > is important > > What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. > in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents > to make the math readable. > > > > Susan Kelmer > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student LIfe > > T 303 735 4836 > > www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices< > http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices> > > > > > > [cid:image001.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] > > > > Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. > > > > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > > > [External email - use caution] > > > > I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus > exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I > tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it > reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? > I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still > isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > WWW.JSU.EDU > > > > [cid:image002.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] > > > > [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] > [cid:image004.png@01DCA0AF.47C954D0] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for > the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the > intended recipient(s). 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Can the Math be > copied out and pasted into Word? Does it come over as MathML or as an > image? > > > > Best > > George > > > > > > From: athen-list On Behalf > Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 10:06 AM > To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher > Education Network > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > > > It could seem obvious, but do ensure you are running the latest NVDA. And > read section 7 of the user guide. > > I'm guessing you also need an NVDA add-on, see again section 7 for details. > > > > > > From: athen-list > On Behalf Of > Geraldine Mendiola via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 6:27 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > > > I'm working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus exam. > We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I tested the > exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it reached the math > equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? I've already tried > the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still isn't reading the > equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Please don't hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.jsu.edu/__;!!A-B3JKCz!GUQh9EnNa87aax2 > > ZS_G0RsdlLQ93HDwRMvsfsb1eJguAXqShykxj1JaaNzZ8x8MGaUFw8jUnssz8l5if6cNPZmJwVmP > > go_drrNE$> WWW.JSU.EDU > > > > > > > > > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. 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I ran > into that problem just last week for the first time (or it was the first > time I had actually noticed it). Previously in my testing, NVDA with > MathCat had just read out the equations by default. Does anyone have any > thoughts on whether requiring the screen reader user to (somehow) know to > adjust the Mathjax settings to get the equations to read properly is itself > a WCAG violation? > > Thanks! > > Leigh Mosley, MA, MLS, CPWA > Accessibility Coordinator > University of Tennessee Libraries > 1015 Volunteer Boulevard > Knoxville, TN 37996-1000 > 865-974-0011 > lmosley1@utk.edu > > Schedule a meeting with me: https://calendly.com/leighmosley > > [The University of Tennessee Knoxville logo] > > > From: athen-list On > Behalf Of Joshua Hori via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 12:16 PM > To: Geraldine Mendiola ; Access Technology Higher > Education Network ; Susan Kelmer < > Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > Hello Geraldine, > > Mathjax displays as SVG by default in browsers, which is inaccessible. > Right click (Shift+F10) on the equation, then alter the mathjax settings: > Math Setttings -> Math Renderer -> MathML > > HTML+CSS also works. CHTML is a new one I?ve seen used which places math > in a table, but it plays very nicely with screenreaders. > > Best, > > Joshua Hori > > From: athen-list athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu>> on behalf of Geraldine > Mendiola via athen-list athen-list@u.washington.edu>> > Date: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 at 7:43?AM > To: Susan Kelmer Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>>, Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > Subject: Re: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > It's in a html format. > > > Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > WWW.JSU.EDU > > > [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] > > > > [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] > [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. 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Thank you. > ________________________________ > From: Susan Kelmer Susan.Kelmer@colorado.edu>> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 9:19 AM > To: Geraldine Mendiola >; > Access Technology Higher Education Network > > Subject: RE: NVDA and Calculus > > You don't often get email from susan.kelmer@colorado.edu susan.kelmer@colorado.edu>. Learn why this is important< > https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification> > > What format is the exam in? Does it have equations entered properly, i.e. > in MathType? For math, there needs to be further remediation of documents > to make the math readable. > > > > Susan Kelmer > > Alternate Format Production Program Manager > > Disability Services > > Division of Student LIfe > > T 303 735 4836 > > www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices< > http://www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices> > > > > > > [cid:image009.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] > > > > Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this > message cannot be guaranteed. If you?ve received this email in error please > notify the sender immediately and delete this message. > > > > From: athen-list athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu>> On Behalf Of Geraldine > Mendiola via athen-list > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2026 7:27 AM > To: athen-list@u.washington.edu > Subject: [Athen] NVDA and Calculus > > > > [External email - use caution] > > > > I?m working with a legally blind student who needs to take a Calculus > exam. We typically use NVDA for our visually impaired students. When I > tested the exam yesterday, NVDA read all the text but stopped when it > reached the math equations. How can I get NVDA to read the math problems? > I?ve already tried the MathCAT and Access8Math extensions, but it still > isn?t reading the equations. Am I missing a step? Any tips would be greatly > appreciated. > > > > Please don?t hesitate to reach out if you need any additional information. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Geraldine Mendiola, MSIT > > Coordinator, Testing Services > Disability Resources > > Student Success Center > Houston Cole Library, Ground Floor, Room B22 > > Jacksonville State University > > P: 256-782-8378 (256-782-TEST) | F: 256-782-8383 > > The Friendliest Campus in the South > > WWW.JSU.EDU > > > > [cid:image006.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] > > > > [National College Testing Association Certified Test Center Logo] > [cid:image008.png@01DCA0D2.7F76A310] > > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE > > PLEASE READ CAREFULLY > > This message and any attached documents contain information that may be > confidential, subject to privilege, or exempt from disclosure under > applicable state or federal law. These materials are intended solely for > the use of Testing Services, the Office of Disability Resources, and the > intended recipient(s). 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I emphasized, faculty who wait until the last minute make it difficult for students to succeed and those faculty in a panic about how to make their materials accessible should be consulting with us or sending us their materials nice and early. One problem we have is students request accommodations, we encourage them to be proactive and we don't contact faculty on their behalf until the student makes the actual request and wants us talking to their professors. So often the poor student does not know what materials they will need until class begins! We are on the quarter system and as a community college, we have many students who are new to higher education. I am curious what other colleges tell their faculty. Do you insist on all materials being accessible or do you explain you can remediate so it's not their responsibility? --Debee --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Richard Allegra Association on Higher Education and Disability richard@ahead.org >> In reference to the ADA Final Rule, I'm reaching out to see if you have any one-page reference guides we can share with faculty on how to make their materials accessible. Specifically, we're looking for concise, practical guidance on creating documents (e.g., Word files and PDFs), PowerPoint presentations, and any other content they may share with students. If you have existing quick-reference sheets, checklists, or tip guides aligned with current accessibility standards, we would greatly appreciate having access to them. If there are recommended external resources, I'd be grateful for those as well. Thank you in advance for your support. >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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SAS acknowledges the value of expressing identity-first (disabled person) and person first (person with disability) language in our communication. ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Richard Allegra via athen-list Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2026 2:56 PM To: via athen-list Subject: [Athen] AHEAD member seeking Title II references for faculty Hello, I received this inquiry from an AHEAD member. He?s looking for a simple reference that he can share with faculty. Thank you. Richard Allegra Association on Higher Education and Disability richard@ahead.org >> In reference to the ADA Final Rule, I?m reaching out to see if you have any one-page reference guides we can share with faculty on how to make their materials accessible. Specifically, we?re looking for concise, practical guidance on creating documents (e.g., Word files and PDFs), PowerPoint presentations, and any other content they may share with students. 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Describe meaningful images using Alternative text Use proper heading structure in documents and websites And so on with each of those being a hyperlink on the one pager that takes the user to a detailed, step-by-step process page. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Richard Allegra via athen-list Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2026 11:57 AM To: via athen-list Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] AHEAD member seeking Title II references for faculty CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! Hello, I received this inquiry from an AHEAD member. He's looking for a simple reference that he can share with faculty. Thank you. 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Richard Allegra Association on Higher Education and Disability richard@ahead.org >> In reference to the ADA Final Rule, I'm reaching out to see if you have any one-page reference guides we can share with faculty on how to make their materials accessible. Specifically, we're looking for concise, practical guidance on creating documents (e.g., Word files and PDFs), PowerPoint presentations, and any other content they may share with students. If you have existing quick-reference sheets, checklists, or tip guides aligned with current accessibility standards, we would greatly appreciate having access to them. If there are recommended external resources, I'd be grateful for those as well. Thank you in advance for your support. >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside of WSU Tech. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From Verbit. > > > > > > > > *Robert Gibson EdD | WSU Tech * > > Dean, ITAS > Director, Instructional Design > > wgibson2@wsutech.edu | 13166779474 > Book time with Robert Gibson > > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Richard Allegra via athen-list > *Sent:* Thursday, February 19, 2026 1:57 PM > *To:* via athen-list > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [Athen] AHEAD member seeking Title II references > for faculty > > > > Hello, > > > > I received this inquiry from an AHEAD member. He?s looking for a simple > reference that he can share with faculty. > > > > Thank you. > > > > Richard Allegra > > Association on Higher Education and Disability > > richard@ahead.org > > > > >> > > > > In reference to the ADA Final Rule, I?m reaching out to see if you have > any one-page reference guides we can share with faculty on how to make > their materials accessible. Specifically, we?re looking for concise, > practical guidance on creating documents (e.g., Word files and PDFs), > PowerPoint presentations, and any other content they may share with > students. If you have existing quick-reference sheets, checklists, or tip > guides aligned with current accessibility standards, we would greatly > appreciate having access to them. If there are recommended external > resources, I?d be grateful for those as well. Thank you in advance for your > support. > > > > >> > > *CAUTION:** This email originated from outside of WSU Tech. Do not click > links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the > content is safe. * > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think the Apple folks will be at CSUN, and I believe we will be talking about this. Best George From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list Sent: Friday, February 20, 2026 8:42 AM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Reading math content with VoiceOver I have some math exams a professor prepared using the Word equation editor. I can read them fine with NVDA and JAWS. I particularly like the JAWS math viewer. My student however uses VoiceOver on the Mac and says the exams are not accessible. Two questions: can VoiceOver read math content? Can these exams be converted to something VoiceOver could read? Also if NVDA and JAWS can read something that VoiceOver cannot read, would you consider it inaccessible? Though I use Braille and could read the math content in Nemeth my student doesn't know Braille so it's not a consideration here. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By the end of Day 2, your name will be in the commit history of a live, public open source project. Not a sandbox. Not a simulation. The real thing. ? This workshop exists because open source software powers the world - and the people who use assistive technology every day deserve to be the ones shaping it. Not just filing complaints. Building. Reviewing. Shipping. Who Should Attend? This workshop is designed for: * Blind and low vision individuals who want to learn GitHub and open source contribution * Screen reader users (NVDA, JAWS, or VoiceOver) at any skill level * People who have never used GitHub before - no prior experience required * Developers who use assistive technology and want to sharpen their open source workflow * Anyone curious about accessible development - sighted participants are welcome; all content is fully keyboard-navigable You do not need to know how to write code. Seriously. 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If you know someone with expertise in STEM accessibility and alt text best practices who may be a good fit, I?d appreciate your suggestions. Compensation is available for their time and expertise. Thank you in advance for any leads you can share! Best, Monica M. Olsson (she/her/hers) Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges ?Email: molsson@sbctc.edu ? Phone: 360-704-3922 The power of the Web is in its universality. Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect. Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Sometimes it's reading them perfectly, sometimes it's skipping them entirely (including omitting the symbols from the braille output). VoiceOver seems to be reading all of the MathJax examples correctly and consistently. Braille output looks good too, from my quick check. I think an HTML file with MathJax would probably be your best bet for accessing this content with VoiceOver. Michael Cantino (he/him) BVIS Technology Specialist Northwest Regional Education Service District (503)614-1339 Check out the BVIS Tech website to find helpful resources -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Olsson (she/her/hers)* > > Policy Associate ? Accessible IT Coordinator > > Washington State Board for Community and Technical Colleges > > ?Email: *molsson@sbctc.edu * ? Phone: 360-704-3922 > > > > *The power of the Web is in its universality.* > > *Access by everyone regardless of disability is an essential aspect.* > > Tim Berners-Lee, W3C Director and inventor of the World Wide Web > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Tue Feb 24 16:01:54 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Deborah Armstrong via athen-list) Date: Tue Feb 24 16:01:59 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? Message-ID: I've had this problem the 25 years I've done this job, and I am curious if it's a problem for others as well. It's the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she's learned to make the alt media request early. The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was paid for the book. Now our bookstore hasn't even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly until she got a book list for her Spring course. I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. But I never see a reading list if I'm lucky until the second week of the 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the best of times too. This is community college, so maybe it's less of an issue at the university level. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Tue Feb 24 16:37:49 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Deborah Armstrong via athen-list) Date: Tue Feb 24 16:37:58 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The other thing to add here, is that department of rehab can be slow to purchase a book. So we colleges can get sued for not providing alt media in a timely manner, yet publishers can require a proof of purchase before we get an electronic copy to remediate and yet the student cannot purchase it yet because they either don't have the rehab authorization or the instructor hasn't put in the bookstore order yet. Being on the quarter system, the whole timely manner thing is a big issue for us. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 4:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? I've had this problem the 25 years I've done this job, and I am curious if it's a problem for others as well. It's the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she's learned to make the alt media request early. The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was paid for the book. Now our bookstore hasn't even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly until she got a book list for her Spring course. I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. But I never see a reading list if I'm lucky until the second week of the 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the best of times too. This is community college, so maybe it's less of an issue at the university level. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Tue Feb 24 17:14:53 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (foreigntype@gmail.com via athen-list) Date: Tue Feb 24 17:15:07 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Have them check it out of the library, show you the check out slip. They can return the book to the library when their funding comes through. You can guarantee ?proof? of student possessing the book(s) to the publisher and you can get started on the conversions for them. Or you can work out a budget request to buy books from the bookstore, cut, scan, convert, rebind and return to the bookstore. When I was a DRS manager, my name was on the ?proof of purchase? requirements from publishers. My office and I were diligent in making sure the students? identities were not compromised by submitting to publishers while ensuring they had ?legal? possession of their books: purchase, rent, checked out from library, loaned from a friend or professor with permission. I?d much rather battle copyright than OCR/DOJ. Wink Harner Adaptive Technology Consulting and Training Portland OR. foreigntype@gmail.com On Tue, Feb 24, 2026 at 4:38?PM Deborah Armstrong via athen-list < athen-list@u.washington.edu> wrote: > The other thing to add here, is that department of rehab can be slow to > purchase a book. So we colleges can get sued for not providing alt media in > a timely manner, yet publishers can require a proof of purchase before we > get an electronic copy to remediate and yet the student cannot purchase it > yet because they either don?t have the rehab authorization or the > instructor hasn?t put in the bookstore order yet. > > Being on the quarter system, the whole timely manner thing is a big issue > for us. > > > > > > *From:* athen-list *On > Behalf Of *Deborah Armstrong via athen-list > *Sent:* Tuesday, February 24, 2026 4:02 PM > *To:* Access Technology Higher Education Network < > athen-list@u.washington.edu> > *Subject:* [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? > > > > I?ve had this problem the 25 years I?ve done this job, and I am curious if > it?s a problem for others as well. > > It?s the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. > > One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she?s > learned to make the alt media request early. > > The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of > the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was > paid for the book. > > Now our bookstore hasn?t even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My > student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly > until she got a book list for her Spring course. > > I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she > has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. > > The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to > make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I > have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. > > I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything > complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if > they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. > But I never see a reading list if I?m lucky until the second week of the > 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the > class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on > the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 > per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the > best of times too. > > This is community college, so maybe it?s less of an issue at the > university level. > > --Debee > > > _______________________________________________ > athen-list mailing list > athen-list@mailman22.u.washington.edu > http://mailman22.u.washington.edu/mailman/listinfo/athen-list > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Wed Feb 25 05:03:21 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Bishop, Jeff - (jeffbis) via athen-list) Date: Wed Feb 25 05:03:42 2026 Subject: [Athen] Reminder about email list changes happening during the weekend of February 28 and March 1, 2026 ... Message-ID: Hello ATHEN, Please remember that the email list will be transforming to a new site this coming weekend. All list traffic will be frozen in read-only mode on Saturday, February 28. The archive of messages along with the current membership roster will be taken as a snapshot at that time and we will begin the transformation from our current home to groups.io. We will send out a notice once all of you are on the new platform and we will be providing significant amounts of documentation and resources concerning the new platform. If you have any specific questions or concerns then do let us know. Again, thanks goes out to the University of Washington for hosting us for so long. It means the world to us and we have and continue to value their ongoing commitment and partnership. Jeff Bishop ATHEN President -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Wed Feb 25 08:23:31 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Hayman, Douglass via athen-list) Date: Wed Feb 25 08:23:36 2026 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: You bring up great points here Debee, Much of what you've pointed out is similar to what I've heard so many in our field struggle with. That is why when I provided input to the draft of ADA title II, I expressed how unrealistic it was to stick with their earlier version of turnaround time to remediate instructional content and instead pushed for making all instructional content accessible from the beginning. We know that students with disabilities could be enrolled in one section of a course and decide to change to another section, same topic, different instructor and instructional content or, they could drop one class and pick something entirely different subject to study. They should have that flexibility just like their peers. And when they make that change, they should be able to be on the same level playing field as classmates in the new class they picked with instructional content they can use immediately. Publishers have exaggerated the threat to their bottom line now for decades. If all of their content was accessible before point of purchase, then we wouldn't have to do all this remediation in advance or under the gun, timewise. If they were the ones getting sued for inaccessible content instead of our higher education institutions, then perhaps they'd finally get around to changing their processes. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 4:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! I've had this problem the 25 years I've done this job, and I am curious if it's a problem for others as well. It's the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she's learned to make the alt media request early. The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was paid for the book. Now our bookstore hasn't even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly until she got a book list for her Spring course. I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. But I never see a reading list if I'm lucky until the second week of the 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the best of times too. This is community college, so maybe it's less of an issue at the university level. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Wed Feb 25 09:03:24 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Carpenter, Anne via athen-list) Date: Wed Feb 25 09:03:29 2026 Subject: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: [like] Carpenter, Anne reacted to your message: ________________________________ From: athen-list on behalf of Hayman, Douglass via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2026 4:23:31 PM To: Deborah Armstrong ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? You bring up great points here Debee, Much of what you?ve pointed out is similar to what I?ve heard so many in our field struggle with. That is why when I provided input to the draft of ADA title II, I expressed how unrealistic it was to stick with their earlier version of turnaround time to remediate instructional content and instead pushed for making all instructional content accessible from the beginning. We know that students with disabilities could be enrolled in one section of a course and decide to change to another section, same topic, different instructor and instructional content or, they could drop one class and pick something entirely different subject to study. They should have that flexibility just like their peers. And when they make that change, they should be able to be on the same level playing field as classmates in the new class they picked with instructional content they can use immediately. Publishers have exaggerated the threat to their bottom line now for decades. If all of their content was accessible before point of purchase, then we wouldn?t have to do all this remediation in advance or under the gun, timewise. If they were the ones getting sued for inaccessible content instead of our higher education institutions, then perhaps they?d finally get around to changing their processes. Doug Hayman IT Accessibility Coordinator Information Technology Olympic College dhayman@olympic.edu (360) 475-7632 From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 4:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering! I?ve had this problem the 25 years I?ve done this job, and I am curious if it?s a problem for others as well. It?s the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she?s learned to make the alt media request early. The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was paid for the book. Now our bookstore hasn?t even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly until she got a book list for her Spring course. I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. But I never see a reading list if I?m lucky until the second week of the 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the best of times too. This is community college, so maybe it?s less of an issue at the university level. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Wed Feb 25 10:22:34 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Susan Kelmer via athen-list) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:22:40 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The only time I really run into the receipt thing is if the student is in our Law School. Law book publishers are notorious about this. There is no way to force a publisher not to do this to students or us, unfortunately. I do a lot of end runs to get the files anyway, as much as I can. Often, I will buy the book, cut and scan. But until there is a law that forces publishers to send us files, we are going to keep running into this. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DCA648.A01689C0] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 5:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? [External email - use caution] I've had this problem the 25 years I've done this job, and I am curious if it's a problem for others as well. It's the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she's learned to make the alt media request early. The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was paid for the book. Now our bookstore hasn't even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly until she got a book list for her Spring course. I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. But I never see a reading list if I'm lucky until the second week of the 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the best of times too. This is community college, so maybe it's less of an issue at the university level. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: From athen-list at u.washington.edu Wed Feb 25 10:26:40 2026 From: athen-list at u.washington.edu (Andrea L. Dietrich via athen-list) Date: Wed Feb 25 10:26:48 2026 Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If the library already has a copy of the book we have used an overhead scanner to scan a library copy. It's not quite as fast as the cut-and-scan methods but it still works quite well, and it's 100% non-destructive, which is nice. I've also found that there are many books available if you know where to look online; sometimes we resort to that method when nothing else is working (although typically not law books, unfortunately). Andrea Dietrich She / Her / Hers Accessible Media Specialist Student Disability Services | Student and Campus Life The Ceriale Center for Cornell Health 110 Ho Plaza Ithaca, NY 14853-3101 sds.cornell.edu From: athen-list On Behalf Of Susan Kelmer via athen-list Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2026 1:23 PM To: Deborah Armstrong ; Access Technology Higher Education Network Subject: Re: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? The only time I really run into the receipt thing is if the student is in our Law School. Law book publishers are notorious about this. There is no way to force a publisher not to do this to students or us, unfortunately. I do a lot of end runs to get the files anyway, as much as I can. Often, I will buy the book, cut and scan. But until there is a law that forces publishers to send us files, we are going to keep running into this. Susan Kelmer Alternate Format Production Program Manager Disability Services Division of Student LIfe T 303 735 4836 www.colorado.edu/disabilityservices [cid:image001.png@01DCA65A.5ED58030] Due to the nature of electronic communication, the security of this message cannot be guaranteed. If you've received this email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete this message. From: athen-list > On Behalf Of Deborah Armstrong via athen-list Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2026 5:02 PM To: Access Technology Higher Education Network > Subject: [Athen] Any new solutions to this publisher proof issue? [External email - use caution] I've had this problem the 25 years I've done this job, and I am curious if it's a problem for others as well. It's the middle of the winter quarter. The Spring quarter starts April 6. One of my more diligent students loves getting her books on time, so she's learned to make the alt media request early. The publisher wants either a receipt or information about the full name of the course, what date the book was purchased and where, and how much was paid for the book. Now our bookstore hasn't even begun to stock books for Spring quarter. My student got her information by bugging the department dean mercilessly until she got a book list for her Spring course. I would like to reward such dedication by having her book early, but she has to actually purchase the book before I can get a PDF to be remediated. The big barrier is the academic freedom that allows our instructors to make last-minute decisions about the books they plan to use for a course. I have talked to faculty about this relentlessly and I am simply ignored. I can do simple remediations myself but the service I use for anything complex wants the books early, and they prefer a syllabus so for example if they do Braille, they only transcribe/emboss required portions of a book. But I never see a reading list if I'm lucky until the second week of the 12-week quarter, primarily because instructors like to get a feel for the class first before issuing a reading list. And many instructors decide on the fly what to read next week and never issue an assignments list. Over 50 per cent of our teaching faculty is adjunct and hard to track down at the best of times too. This is community college, so maybe it's less of an issue at the university level. --Debee -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 8916 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: