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<a href="https://dragonfly2.readthedocs.io/en/stable/">Dragonfly</a> to write LaTeX by voice, for assignments and exams. That requires high fluency with both LaTeX and Dragon, a little bit of familiarity with Python, and a lot of patience while configuring
everything. I expect a math major to at least be starting with LaTeX, but learning the rest might not be worthwhile, depending on how long their arms will take to heal.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Centre for Accessible Learning (<a href="https://www.uvic.ca/accessible-learning/"><span style="color:#467886">uvic.ca/accessible-learning</span></a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">University of Victoria, Division of Student Affairs<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Noble, Stephen via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> February 14, 2025 13:14<br>
<b>To:</b> foreigntype@gmail.com; Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Math major who need speech to text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Yes...indeed. One can still even find the old support manual online:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">And...just like how we got human beings safely to the Moon in the late 60s early 70s...and then lost all the technical knowledge and capabilities...software that once could do great
things eventually fades from our grasp. Maybe one day AI will simply keep all software current without human intervention. Something out of Jules Vernes, perhaps.
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502-969-3088</span><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
<a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com">foreigntype@gmail.com</a> <<a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com">foreigntype@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 14, 2025 3:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Noble, Stephen <<a href="mailto:steve.noble@louisville.edu">steve.noble@louisville.edu</a>>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Math major who need speech to text</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Steve,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Dragon with MathType & Scientific Notebook was --past tense-- a very usable AT combo to dictate math up through the highest levels, including graphing and physics. Metroplex Voice computing shut it down a couple of years pre-covid because
they could not find anyone to rewrite/update the coding in Scientific Notebook. It was a brilliant solution which sadly no longer at our disposal. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Portland OR<br>
<a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com" target="_blank">foreigntype@gmail.com</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This email was dictated using Dragon NaturallySpeaking. Please forgive quirks, misrecognitions, or errata .<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Feb 14, 2025 at 12:22<span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span>PM Noble, Stephen via athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">Math dictation is about like a mission to Mars. Well...perhaps that is a bit of a stretch, but shall I say it is not so simple.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">The solution with the least investment in training (but not without costs) is Equatio.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black"><a href="https://www.texthelp.com/products/equatio/" target="_blank">Equatio - Equation Editor to Create Accessible Digital Math | Texthelp</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">However, Equatio may not as useful in higher level colleges mathematics courses. However, I have not done a real evaluation of how well it holds up in advanced mathematics.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">It is also "technically" possible to dictate mathematics using some versions of Microsoft Word. At least, according to Murray Sargent, the developer of this capability. If that
is true, this would essentially be a "no cost" method...but I have no idea what the usability of this method may be and how easy it is to learn.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I should add that I have not heard back from people who actually use math dictation in Office.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black">I have also heard of people who use Dragon with MathType. Because MathType has keyboard shortcuts for all commands, it is technically possible to train Dragon to recognize these
commands and build math expressions. I did know someone, years ago, who did this. However, I suspect this path takes a long ramp-up and the broken arm will likely be mended before one become proficient using that method.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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502-969-3088</span><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
on behalf of Norwich, Lorraine via athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 14, 2025 12:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Good Morning,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Hope all is well. We have a student who is a math major and has broken both arms. Does anyone have any thoughts on how to help and what speech to text would work the best for them.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Thanks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US">Lorraine<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:black">Lorraine S. Norwich, BSME, MSIS<br>
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25 Buick Street 3rd Floor, Boston MA 02215<br>
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<a href="http://www.bu.edu/disability" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.bu.edu/disability</span></a> (website)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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