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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">In 2021, I wrote a short training course on using InDesign to create PDFs. At that time, I wrote the following:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The reading order in the Content panel is set by the order in which objects are created.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It cannot be changed except by deleting an object and adding it back in, in which case it becomes the last item in the reading order. This can easily be done using
the following steps on each object in turn:<o:p></o:p></span></li><ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Select the object.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Press Ctrl+X to delete it.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Press Ctrl+V to paste it back in.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Reposition it if necessary.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoNormal" style="mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">However, this may break the order in the Articles panel.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">It is possible that something has changed since then, but I doubt it. It if has, do let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Since you would be deleting and re-adding complete text frames, this should be much faster than moving individual lines in Acrobat. Obviously, creating content in the correct order would be best,
but this can be really difficult.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Alternatively, you can use Acrobat’s Reading Order Tool to group all the lines in each paragraph. You would still need to put the paragraphs in the right order in the Content panel, but again it’s
faster and less error-prone than moving </span><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">individual lines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Steve Green<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hayman, Douglass via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 03 April 2025 16:56<br>
<b>To:</b> Eckelberry, Robin <Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Robin,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">If you don’t get a helpful answer to this here on ATHEN, you may want to try the webaim list or the PDF Accessibility group on Facebook as both have seasoned InDesign/PDF accessibility people
discussing such things.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Doug Hayman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Information Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">Olympic College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:dhayman@olympic.edu"><span style="color:#467886">dhayman@olympic.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt">(360) 475-7632 <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Eckelberry, Robin via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 3, 2025 8:51 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ATHEN <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hello ATHEN!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">I've looked through the archives, and I'm wondering if folks have experience with InDesign and the Reading Order Panel/Content Panel specifically in Acrobat?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Arranging the content in InDesign using the Articles panel creates the PDF with the correct tag order, but the reading order and content order (essential for reading technologies like
text-to-speech, Read Aloud in Edge, for example), are completely out of order in Acrobat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Does anyone know of a way to address this issue at the InDesign level? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">With how InDesign exports every line as a separate content box (as opposed to grouping all lines of a paragraph together in one content box, for example), that creates a ton of containers
in the Content panel in Acrobat, so having to adjust the order in the Content panel in Acrobat will be no easy feat.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Robin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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