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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple style='word-wrap:break-word'><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Hi Robin,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Thank you so much for the detailed follow-up, and great sleuthing! Your results absolutely reinforce the direction we've all been leaning, and it’s encouraging to see how both your WebAIM outreach and hands-on testing have validated what ChatGPT and others have flagged regarding InDesign's layer-based reading order behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>The confirmation that Acrobat's reading order is bottom-to-top relative to InDesign's Layer panel is indeed a key takeaway. It's great to hear that this method worked cleanly for you and produced a proper Order panel flow in Acrobat without needing the more invasive cut/paste workaround that Steve originally detailed back in 2021.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>It’s also reassuring to note how much more workable this has become since then. InDesign’s evolution in handling accessibility and structure is certainly moving in a better direction.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Thanks again for sharing your findings with the group. These kinds of field-tested insights are incredibly valuable. And no rush at all on the Google Workspace info. Look forward to digging into that whenever you're ready!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Warmly,<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p> </o:p></span></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'>Aaron Di Blasi, </span></b><span style='mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><a href="https://www.pmi.org/"><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>PMP</span></b></a><u><span style='color:blue'><o:p></o:p></span></u></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:blue;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p><span style='text-decoration:none'> </span></o:p></span></u></b></p><p class=MsoNormal><a 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If you have received this e-mail and attachments in error, please delete the e-mail and its attachments from your computer.</span><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> Eckelberry, Robin <Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net> <br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 7, 2025 5:52 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steve Green' <steve.green@testpartners.co.uk>; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; 'Hayman, Douglass' <dhayman@olympic.edu>; enews@toptechtidbits.com<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Hi Doug, Steve, and Aaron!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Thank you for all of your help. I tested some more on my own and also reached out via WebAIM. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>What I found and trialed echoed the Chat GPT note.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>To be able to have the reading order correct in Acrobat, you have to adjust the order of the Layers in InDesign. The last layer is what will be read first, and the first layer is what will be read last. So yes, ordering from bottom to top in InDesign is what worked for a correct Order panel for me in Acrobat.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I'm glad that process has gotten better since 2021!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Thanks again!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>P.S. Aaron I owe you some Google Workspace findings, too. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="98%" align=center></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'> Top Tech Tidbits<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 3, 2025 12:41 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Steve Green'; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network'; 'Hayman, Douglass'; Eckelberry, Robin<br><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order) <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #9A6A5B 3.0pt;padding:6.0pt 0in 0in 0in;margin-top:12.0pt;margin-bottom:12.0pt;border-radius:4px;min-width:200px!important' id="x_pfptBanner2cgar8t"><div style='margin-bottom:.75pt;float:left!important' id="x_pfptBanner2cgar8t"><div id="x_pfptBanner2cgar8t"><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt;background:#F37527'><b><span lang=EN style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>This Message is From an External Sender<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></div><div style='margin-top:1.5pt;line-height:18px!important' id="x_pfptBanner2cgar8t"><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:13.5pt;background:#F37527'><span lang=EN style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>Always be cautious of links and attachments, and think before you click!<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='line-height:0%;background:#F37527'><span lang=EN style='font-size:1.0pt;color:black'> </span><span lang=EN style='font-size:1.0pt'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>ChatGPT 4.5:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Ensuring the correct reading order in PDFs exported from InDesign has evolved, offering more integrated solutions than were available in 2021. Previously, you noted that the reading order in Acrobat's Content panel was determined by the sequence of object creation in InDesign and could only be altered by cutting and pasting objects, potentially disrupting the Articles panel order. Since then, InDesign has introduced features that allow for more precise control over reading order directly within the application.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Key Developments:</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><ol style='margin-top:0in' start=1 type=1><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Articles Panel Utilization:</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>The Articles panel in InDesign enables you to define the reading order by organizing content into articles. By dragging and dropping frames and objects into this panel, you can set a logical sequence without altering the page layout. It's crucial to select "Use for Tagging Order in Tagged PDF" in the Articles panel menu to ensure this order is recognized upon export.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Layer Panel Stacking Order:</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>The stacking order of elements in the Layers panel affects the reading order in the exported PDF. Items at the bottom of the Layers panel are read first. Therefore, arranging layers from bottom to top in the desired reading sequence can help control the reading order. </span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Threading Text Frames:</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Linking text frames ensures a continuous and logical flow of text, which is beneficial for maintaining the correct reading order. Threaded text frames are treated as a single story, preserving the intended sequence. </span><o:p></o:p></li></ul><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Anchoring Objects:</span></b><o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l0 level2 lfo1'><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Anchoring images and other objects within text frames ensures they are read in context with related text. This method integrates non-text elements into the reading flow appropriately.</span><o:p></o:p></li></ul></ol><p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>By implementing these strategies, you can establish the desired reading order within InDesign, reducing the need for post-export adjustments in Acrobat. This integrated approach streamlines the workflow and enhances document accessibility.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>For a visual guide on using the Articles panel to control reading order, you might find the following tutorial helpful: <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI2NJomPXBQ__;!!G2OgMis!Yq31SoLCuqUlk-_lnnWlOWZY7unnOCMdOE57Wg3LsFQ2E3-8zvl0wVeiGF09NCIzjZe0jp-sHjnhVvz9Prh_RLb_Ow$">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yI2NJomPXBQ</a>.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'> </span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto'>Aaron Di Blasi, <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.pmi.org/__;!!G2OgMis!Yq31SoLCuqUlk-_lnnWlOWZY7unnOCMdOE57Wg3LsFQ2E3-8zvl0wVeiGF09NCIzjZe0jp-sHjnhVvz9PrjSvKp8xA$">PMP</a></span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><b><u><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto;color:blue'> </span></u></b><o:p></o:p></p><p><a 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At that time, I wrote the following:<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=disc><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'>The reading order in the Content panel is set by the order in which objects are created.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2'>It cannot be changed except by deleting an object and adding it back in, in which case it becomes the last item in the reading order. This can easily be done using the following steps on each object in turn:<o:p></o:p></li><ul style='margin-top:0in' type=circle><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'>Select the object.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'>Press Ctrl+X to delete it.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'>Press Ctrl+V to paste it back in.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'>Reposition it if necessary.<o:p></o:p></li><li class=MsoNormal style='mso-list:l1 level2 lfo2'>However, this may break the order in the Articles panel.<o:p></o:p></li></ul></ul><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>It is possible that something has changed since then, but I doubt it. It if has, do let me know.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Since you would be deleting and re-adding complete text frames, this should be much faster than moving individual lines in Acrobat. Obviously, creating content in the correct order would be best, but this can be really difficult.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Alternatively, you can use Acrobat’s Reading Order Tool to group all the lines in each paragraph. You would still need to put the paragraphs in the right order in the Content panel, but again it’s faster and less error-prone than moving individual lines.<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p>Steve Green<o:p></o:p></p><p>Managing Director<o:p></o:p></p><p>Test Partners Ltd<o:p></o:p></p><p> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p><b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Hayman, Douglass via athen-list<br><b>Sent:</b> 03 April 2025 16:56<br><b>To:</b> Eckelberry, Robin <<a href="mailto:Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net">Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net</a>>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Robin,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>If you don’t get a helpful answer to this here on ATHEN, you may want to try the webaim list or the PDF Accessibility group on Facebook as both have seasoned InDesign/PDF accessibility people discussing such things.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Doug Hayman</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>IT Accessibility Coordinator</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Information Technology</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>Olympic College</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:#467886'><a href="mailto:dhayman@olympic.edu"><span style='color:#467886'>dhayman@olympic.edu</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'>(360) 475-7632</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Eckelberry, Robin via athen-list<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 3, 2025 8:51 AM<br><b>To:</b> ATHEN <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br><b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] InDesign and Reading Order (not tag order)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><div style='border:solid #030303 1.0pt;padding:1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt 1.0pt'><p style='background:#FFCC66'><span style='font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black'>CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering!</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p> <o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Hello ATHEN!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>I've looked through the archives, and I'm wondering if folks have experience with InDesign and the Reading Order Panel/Content Panel specifically in Acrobat?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Arranging the content in InDesign using the Articles panel creates the PDF with the correct tag order, but the reading order and content order (essential for reading technologies like text-to-speech, Read Aloud in Edge, for example), are completely out of order in Acrobat.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Does anyone know of a way to address this issue at the InDesign level? </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>With how InDesign exports every line as a separate content box (as opposed to grouping all lines of a paragraph together in one content box, for example), that creates a ton of containers in the Content panel in Acrobat, so having to adjust the order in the Content panel in Acrobat will be no easy feat.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Thanks!</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'>Robin</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-size:11.0pt;color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div id="x_Signature"><p><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nelnetinc.com/__;!!G2OgMis!axxA2bUY-8aIbgI8DkISObLFS1Ia8ret_EVNAoQW1JShCSA1sYBr-5j5Wnv-PngWyu33OO0WeUEgdosVqxpwmM0MYwM$" title=""""https://nelnetinc.com/""""><b><span style='text-decoration:none'><img border=0 width=72 height=72 style='width:.75in;height:.75in' id="x_Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image002.png@01DBA7EE.F506F310" alt="Nelnet Logo"></span></b></a><o:p></o:p></p><p style='line-height:14.25pt'><b><span style='font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>Robin Eckelberry</span></b><o:p></o:p></p><p style='line-height:12.0pt'><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:black'>IT Software Engineer – Accessibility</span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nelnetinc.com/capabilities/technology-services/digital-accessibility/__;!!G2OgMis!axxA2bUY-8aIbgI8DkISObLFS1Ia8ret_EVNAoQW1JShCSA1sYBr-5j5Wnv-PngWyu33OO0WeUEgdosVqxpwvx7WOh4$" title="https://nelnetinc.com/capabilities/technology-services/digital-accessibility/">Nelnet - Accessibility Services</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif'><a href="mailto:Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net">Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net</a></span><o:p></o:p></p><p><u><span style='font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif;color:#595959'> </span></u><o:p></o:p></p></div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><hr size=2 width="100%" align=center></div><p>The information contained in this message is confidential proprietary property of Nelnet, Inc. and its affiliated companies (Nelnet) and is intended for the recipient only. 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