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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Yes.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I had to charge my Surface Pen so used the touch screen to “write” a sentence. I then used the Lasso tool to select the text I’d written.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I tapped on one of the handles of the lasso “square” and got the toolbar. There is an arrow in the toolbar which I tapped. The last item in the context menu is
Ink to Text.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">It worked perfectly. Even with my handwriting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Once my Surface pen is charged, I’ll try it with that.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">The way the handwriting tool used to work in OneNote is based on algorithms of thousands of handwriting sample, so it is sort of like word prediction based on
the database of handwriting samples. Of course, like voice recognition, it also helps you write better/more legibly as you see the common “oops, I got that wrong” results if any. So, it tends to train you instead of the other way around.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Cheers, Karen
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 10, 2025 8:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Karlen Communications <info@karlencommunications.com>; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; 'Travis Roth' <travis@travisroth.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ve tried it and couldn’t get it to work, so I abandoned the idea for a while. I then realized later that you need to use the lasso to convert the handwriting to text.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So…Did the lasso convert imaged handwriting to text?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joshua<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Karlen Communications <<a href="mailto:info@karlencommunications.com">info@karlencommunications.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 5:40</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b>Joshua Hori <<a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu">jhori@ucdavis.edu</a>>, 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>, 'Travis Roth' <<a href="mailto:travis@travisroth.com">travis@travisroth.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Have you checked OneNote’s ability to convert handwriting to text? Not sure it would work on a scanned graphic of both handwriting and print but might be worth
a try.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I used to use it all the time for note taking. Even with my horrid handwriting, it converted accurately.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">…and you’ve just given me a task to test this morning!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Cheers, Karen</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 8, 2025 8:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Travis Roth <<a href="mailto:travis@travisroth.com">travis@travisroth.com</a>>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The camera fails and throws errors now but if you hover over it, it will still try to OCR and read it aloud. We used to use SeeingAI back in 2018 to convert handwritten notes into digital text. It worked with
good accuracy back then. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This is the Image Braille GPT (free):</span>
<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://chatgpt.com/g/g-fXlS5yyJA-image-braille">https://chatgpt.com/g/g-fXlS5yyJA-image-braille</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It’s a little challenging navigating OpenAI with a screenreader since they don’t have ARIA live tags. I find Gemini more accessible to screenreaders. NotebookLM is accessible…with exception to navigating their
chat responses. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">50 Hutchison Dr.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> on behalf of Travis Roth via athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 5:34</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Joshua,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On the Read tab SeeingAI does have a take Picture button which will still show the document view. But I’ve not tried handwriting with it, so if you are saying even the take picture mode is bad at handwriting
that is unfortunate.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Can you share how I may find/try the Image Braille agent?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 8, 2025 7:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com">foreigntype@gmail.com</a>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:lorraine@rcn.com">lorraine@rcn.com</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">SeeingAI used to convert handwriting to text, but now it just attempts to read it aloud…and it’s not as good as it used to be. That’s a shame.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">You can upload an image of the handwritten text to AI and have it converted to digital text.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Gemini: Best AI for image descriptions and handwritten text.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ChatGPT: Creates great images but can go wildly inaccurate unless using the “Image Braille” GPT. That’s some high-quality system prompting powering that customized GPT.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have video examples of using Gemini and OpenAI on my mobile device to describe lecture content in a LinkedIn article:
<a href="https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-musings-bridging-tactile-chemistry-lecture-audio-joshua-hori-kyglc/?trackingId=sKmgtHt1SPWYrhAnngJuVA%3D%3D">
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/ai-musings-bridging-tactile-chemistry-lecture-audio-joshua-hori-kyglc/</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Sorry, no video or audio editing tools available. I stream/record on a budget.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">530-752-2439 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</a>> on behalf of
<a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com">foreigntype@gmail.com</a> via athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 8:37</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">AM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:lorraine@rcn.com">lorraine@rcn.com</a> <<a href="mailto:lorraine@rcn.com">lorraine@rcn.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
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<p>I am unaware of any OCR software that can do both handwriting and text.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Susan's advice is the best: You'll have to do this in several steps. Use a good text based OCR software (Abbyy FineReader or OmnipagePro) for the text and insert (type up the handwriting manually) separately after removing it (by cleaning up) from the original.
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<p>No easy button for this one!<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Wink<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Tue, Apr 8, 2025, 7:20 AM <<a href="mailto:lorraine@rcn.com">lorraine@rcn.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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It is handwriting on a PDF. It is the other software that I am looking for recommendations on.<br>
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