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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Have you tried giving this a try? Although I cannot speak for math content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><a href="https://www.handwritingocr.com/">https://www.handwritingocr.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Kamran Rasul, MEd.</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Assistive Technology/Alternate Format Specialist (SDS)</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="FR" style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Phone: 410-516-1167</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-ligatures:standardcontextual">Garland Hall, 1<sup>st</sup> Floor, Office 135-G<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, April 12, 2025 7:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> enews@toptechtidbits.com; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <athen-list@u.washington.edu>; 'shelleyhaven techpotential.net' <shelleyhaven@techpotential.net>; 'Karen McCall' <K4mccall@outlook.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</b><strong><span style="color:white;background:red"> External Email - Use Caution </span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">We have <a href="https://aggievideo.ucdavis.edu/">
https://aggievideo.ucdavis.edu</a> which has many public STEM courses you can test with me.
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Segoe UI Emoji",sans-serif">😃</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Following up on the math tests:
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Math equations proved to be interesting, but I’m testing with multivariable calculus…Which has math characters most will never see. Here’s a whiteboard pulled from the course:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><img border="0" width="455" height="167" style="width:4.7416in;height:1.7416in" id="Picture_x0020_2" src="cid:image004.png@01DBAE18.7884AA50"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Mathpix gets most of it but needs a little readjusting. Just a little.<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Gemini 2.5 Pro: gets quite a bit but messes up on the “notion & def” line, all of it.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \bar(x) instead of \vec(x)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \geq d instead of \geqslant d<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also has some mathml code showing instead of proper math output. Pops up in different places if regenerating the response.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">GPT o3-mini-high: gets almost everything, but leaves out the “\forall x,y,z”, lumping that last line with the previous “for all”. It also:
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \bar(x) instead of \vec(x)
<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \geq d instead of \geqslant
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Claude Sonnet 3.7: Sections the equations, but gets is sectioned correctly.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \bar(x) instead of \vec(x)<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \geq instead of \geqslant<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Perlexity: Got everything right, with a few minor edits here and there. Less than Mathpix edits. *Shocked pikachu*.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Uses \geq instead of \geqslant<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Copilot…tries. It tends to rewrite the equation.
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<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\bar? \vec? We don’t do that here…<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in;mso-list:l0 level2 lfo3"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So many missing symbols, so many missing characters…<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\forall = upside down A<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\geq = greater than or equal to<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\geqslant = greater than or equal to, slant<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\bar(x) = x with bar over it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">\vec(x) = x with arrow over it<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joshua<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">From:
</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Top Tech Tidbits <<a href="mailto:enews@toptechtidbits.com">enews@toptechtidbits.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Saturday, April 12, 2025 at 1:27</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Joshua Hori <<a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu">jhori@ucdavis.edu</a>>, 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>, 'shelleyhaven techpotential.net' <<a href="mailto:shelleyhaven@techpotential.net">shelleyhaven@techpotential.net</a>>,
'Karen McCall' <<a href="mailto:K4mccall@outlook.com">K4mccall@outlook.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject: </b>RE: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:Roboto">Thanks so much for the mention Joshua, but I will defer to your review which is much more thorough. We too tested this across all of the large paid models and ChatGPT 4o and Gemini 2.5 Pro
consistently performed the best. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 11, 2025 5:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>; shelleyhaven techpotential.net <<a href="mailto:shelleyhaven@techpotential.net">shelleyhaven@techpotential.net</a>>; Karen
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">And now I’ve tested with AI:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Copilot: Gives the handwritten text, nothing more.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">ChatGPT: Gives the handwritten text, then explains it. The handwritten text is displayed through a code window that can be quickly copied separate from the explanation.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Claude: Gives the handwritten text but is messy and needs additional formatting. It sticks multiple bullet points into one line.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Perplexity: Gives the handwritten text and explanation but gets some of the latin font wrong.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Gemini: Gives the handwritten text and explanation, one of the better solutions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ll have to test with some math equations next, then some chemistry lectures.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Oh look! An email came in and I see Aaron from Top Tech is stating the same thing.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best, </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joshua</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, April 11, 2025 at 1:57</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
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<b>Subject: </b>Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="emailstyle19"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks for providing this explanation, Shelley! I appreciate the detailed comparison between handwriting OCR and dynamic handwriting recognition.</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="emailstyle19"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I just tested it out in OneNote, you can’t lasso handwriting in images. If an image is taken of a whiteboard with handwriting, it will not work. If you rewrite the handwritten notes,
you can lasso that. </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="emailstyle19"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span class="emailstyle19"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Joshua</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date: </b>Friday, April 11, 2025 at 1:01</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Karen McCall <<a href="mailto:K4mccall@outlook.com">K4mccall@outlook.com</a>>, Access Technology Higher ATHEN <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">I've been following this handwriting OCR thread with great interest.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">While not a direct answer to Lorraine's original question (converting a PDF of handwritten notes to OCR'd text), here's one other thing to consider relevant to accommodations: there's a difference between
handwriting OCR and dynamic handwriting recognition.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Handwriting OCR examines the static, after-the-fact image of handwritten text or math and attempts to recognize what the user wrote by analyzing the shapes and making a "best guess" by comparing these shapes
with known handwriting samples. The process is similar to the standard OCR we know and (mostly) love.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">Dynamic handwriting recognition, however, analyzes handwriting in real time (as it's being written) and as such has access to additional information with which to make decisions: the individual strokes used
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">On Apr 11, 2025, at 5:53</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">AM, Karen McCall via athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I had to charge my Surface Pen so used the touch screen to “write” a sentence. I then used the Lasso tool to select the text I’d written.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I tapped on one of the handles of the lasso “square” and got the toolbar. There is an arrow in the toolbar which I tapped. The last item in the context menu is
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">It worked perfectly. Even with my handwriting.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Once my Surface pen is charged, I’ll try it with that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">The way the handwriting tool used to work in OneNote is based on algorithms of thousands of handwriting sample, so it is sort of like word prediction based on
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<</span><a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">athen-list-bounces@mailman12.u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, April 10, 2025 8:13 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Karlen Communications <</span><a href="mailto:info@karlencommunications.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">info@karlencommunications.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’ve tried it and couldn’t get it to work, so I abandoned the idea for a while. I then realized later that you need to use the lasso to convert the handwriting to text.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">So…Did the lasso convert imaged handwriting to text?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 5:40</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">AM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Joshua Hori <</span><a href="mailto:jhori@ucdavis.edu"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">jhori@ucdavis.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>, 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">>,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Have you checked OneNote’s ability to convert handwriting to text? Not sure it would work on a scanned graphic of both handwriting and print but might be worth
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I used to use it all the time for note taking. Even with my horrid handwriting, it converted accurately.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">…and you’ve just given me a task to test this morning!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 8, 2025 8:59 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Travis Roth <</span><a href="mailto:travis@travisroth.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">travis@travisroth.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The camera fails and throws errors now but if you hover over it, it will still try to OCR and read it aloud. We used to use SeeingAI back in 2018 to convert handwritten notes into digital text. It worked with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">It’s a little challenging navigating OpenAI with a screenreader since they don’t have ARIA live tags. I find Gemini more accessible to screenreaders. NotebookLM is accessible…with exception to navigating their
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best,<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">50 Hutchison Dr.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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on behalf of Travis Roth via athen-list <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><br>
<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 5:34</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">PM<br>
<b>To:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:12.0pt">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:12.0pt">><br>
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Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Joshua Hori via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, April 8, 2025 7:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></span><a href="mailto:foreigntype@gmail.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">foreigntype@gmail.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">;
Access Technology Higher Education Network <</span><a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">athen-list@u.washington.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">>;</span><a href="mailto:lorraine@rcn.com"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">lorraine@rcn.com</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
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<b>Date:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tuesday, April 8, 2025 at 8:37</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt">AM<br>
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<b>Subject:<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Re: [Athen] Handwriting to OCR text</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">I am unaware of any OCR software that can do both handwriting and text.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Susan's advice is the best: You'll have to do this in several steps. Use a good text based OCR software (Abbyy FineReader or OmnipagePro) for the text and insert (type up the handwriting manually)
separately after removing it (by cleaning up) from the original.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">No easy button for this one!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Verdana",sans-serif">Wink</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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It is handwriting on a PDF. It is the other software that I am looking for recommendations on.<br>
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