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<p>Thanks, Aaron. I'm not sure it will be useful for us to debate
the relative merits of posting content generated by LLMs on this
mailing list. I have lots more I could say about it! But it's not
my list either, and I'm no longer involved in academia, so while I
wanted to give my 2 cents, I also defer to the rest of the list. <br>
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<p>Phil.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-04-16 3:03 p.m., Top Tech
Tidbits via athen-list wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Regarding
output (or in this case, input) from ChatGPT, I deeply and
wholeheartedly disagree with your assessments that AI cannot
provide current, focused advice from experts like
yourselves, especially when the archives for this list, and
many others like it, are open, available and have very
likely been indexed by all of the large LLMS many times
over. Why would you not want to consider these additional
insights? Insights that have already proven valuable to
several readers of this list on several different occasions.
Limiting the flow of possible information does not seem like
a wise academic decision in my experience. But, with that
said, this is not my list, and I very much want to respect
the wishes of the people who use it. Therefore, I will
refrain from providing any information generated by
artificial intelligence going forward.</span><span
style="font-size: 14pt;"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 14pt;">Aaron
Di Blasi, </span></b><span
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href="https://www.pmi.org/" moz-do-not-send="true"><b><span
style="font-size: 14pt;">PMP</span></b></a><u><span
style="color:blue"><o:p></o:p></span></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size: 11pt;"> Steve Green
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:steve.green@testpartners.co.uk"><steve.green@testpartners.co.uk></a> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, April 16, 2025 11:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Philip Kiff <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:phil@d4k.ca"><phil@d4k.ca></a>; Access
Technology Higher Education Network
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"><athen-list@u.washington.edu></a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eckelberry, Robin
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net"><Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net></a>; 'Hayman, Douglass'
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:dhayman@olympic.edu"><dhayman@olympic.edu></a>; <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:enews@toptechtidbits.com">enews@toptechtidbits.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and
Reading Order (not tag order)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">I totally agree with
Philip’s comments regarding ChatGPT.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Steve Green<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Managing
Director<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Test Partners Ltd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Philip Kiff <<a
href="mailto:phil@d4k.ca" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">phil@d4k.ca</a>> <br>
<b>Sent:</b> 16 April 2025 15:38<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a
href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Eckelberry, Robin <<a
href="mailto:Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">Robin.Eckelberry@nelnet.net</a>>;
Steve Green <<a
href="mailto:steve.green@testpartners.co.uk"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">steve.green@testpartners.co.uk</a>>;
'Hayman, Douglass' <<a
href="mailto:dhayman@olympic.edu" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">dhayman@olympic.edu</a>>;
<a href="mailto:enews@toptechtidbits.com"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">enews@toptechtidbits.com</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - InDesign and
Reading Order (not tag order)<br>
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Also, for what it's worth, I'm not a fan of folks plugging
questions into ChatGPT and cutting and pasting the response
into mailing lists like this one. I think it generally
degrades the value and accuracy of the mailing list. In this
case, while some folks found ChatGPT content to be useful, I
personally thought that ChatGPT's response failed to
distinguish clearly between "tag order" and "reading order"
and therefore missed one of the crucial components of the
original question. Besides which, ChatGPT is just going to
regurgitate what it finds elsewhere, rather than providing
current, focused advice from experts or experience, which is
what I rely on this list and the WebAIM list for. Just my 2
cents.</span>
<p><span lang="EN-GB">Phil. <br>
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Philip Kiff <br>
D4K Communications<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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