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<p>If one of these solutions doesn't meet your needs, and you still
want to use an old scanner, then you might consider trying VueScan
from Hamrick Software. <br>
</p>
<p>Vuescan is not free software, but they are a small business that
have been providing reliable replacement drivers and practical,
usable software for discontinued scanners for well over 20 years
now. <br>
</p>
<p>I have no personal or business relationship with the company
other than having purchased their software over a decade ago, in
order to be able to continue to use an HP Scanjet 4850 - which I'm
still using now. <br>
</p>
<p>Here is their support page on the Canon DR-9080C, if that's the
scanner you're looking for drivers for: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/canon_dr_9080c.html">https://www.hamrick.com/vuescan/canon_dr_9080c.html</a></p>
<p>Phil. <br>
</p>
<p>Philip Kiff <br>
D4K Communications<br>
</p>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2025-04-29 1:45 p.m., Xanth King via
athen-list wrote:<br>
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<div>Okay great!</div>
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<div>I've worked with that model. It's pretty good. We've been
using a Canon DR X10c for over 10 years. The double sheet
detection and driver software for color dropout and image
adjustment is way better, but they're in the 10k+ range. They
also weigh 87 pounds.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Just something to consider if you do ever get your unit to
upgrade.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Lately we've been way down on scanning requests because we
almost always get digital versions from the publishers, but
it's nice to have a such a workhorse. I've only had to replace
the rollers and pads and keep the glass clean.</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Let me know if you have any questions. Happy to help.</div>
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<div><font face="georgia, serif"><b>Xanth King</b></font>
<div><font face="georgia, serif">Accessible Formats
Technology Specialist</font></div>
<div><font face="georgia, serif"><span>Pronouns</span>: <span>They</span>/<span>Them</span>/Theirs</font></div>
<div><font face="georgia, serif">Wheeler Hall, Basement
Level, </font><span
style="font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:12.8px">Room
22</span></div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at
10:29 AM Deborah Armstrong <<a
href="mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu"
moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext">armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu</a>>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">This
was very clear and the scanner model is correct, I
was just working remotely and couldn’t remember the
exact model.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> athen-list <<a
href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Xanth King via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2025 9:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Access Technology Higher Education
Network <<a
href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Canon scanner question</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello,</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have found that these older
scanner series will work with older drivers on
newer machines, but the company doesn't maintain
the 'driver signing' which keeps them "secure". As
far as I can tell, the protocols work exactly the
same despite the newer operating systems.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">However, when you install the
Windows 7 driver, even if you confirm that you are
okay with the driver being unsigned, Windows 10/11
security will not allow an installation. That is,
it will behave as though the installation worked,
but nothing will happen. This is because you have
to turn off driver signature enforcement.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">This requires administrative
access to your computer, so you will likely need
help from IT unless you have gotten admin
privileges.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">If you do, you need to reboot
into advanced startup (hold down shift when you
hit restart) <a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2294-boot-advanced-startup-options-windows-10-a.html__;!!A-B3JKCz!EXzv4PoeeV3cXCc6fkgQRFo7cEiAwDryzU73q47VMSNpdug2d8GVNwgG0sAHpU5M2UJn0SDsNKucULXIjXc5bCnJOHTz_olbT0k$"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/2294-boot-advanced-startup-options-windows-10-a.html</a>
and Disable driver signature enforcement <a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.tenforums.com/tutorials/156602-how-enable-disable-driver-signature-enforcement-windows-10-a.html__;!!A-B3JKCz!EXzv4PoeeV3cXCc6fkgQRFo7cEiAwDryzU73q47VMSNpdug2d8GVNwgG0sAHpU5M2UJn0SDsNKucULXIjXc5bCnJOHTzyXr1n-Q$"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.tenforums.com/tutorials/156602-how-enable-disable-driver-signature-enforcement-windows-10-a.html</a>
(when is only temporary for the next time the
computer goes into Windows.)</p>
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</div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Then you can install the
Windows 7 driver from Canon's website. Run it as
administrator. If it doesn't work, try installing
it in compatibility mode.</p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">Also, it could be a lack of
google-fu, but I can't find a DR 8090 driver.
Presuming this is the 9080c, here is the page with
the driver. You can switch the operating system to
Windows 7 and get it there. </p>
</div>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.usa.canon.com/support/p/imageformula-dr-9080c-color-production-scanner?srsltid=AfmBOooxHiaWvZTRtSQE6eMhTj_hgZKsDXoT7Bz2BBTosbXq4GtjPS51__;!!A-B3JKCz!EXzv4PoeeV3cXCc6fkgQRFo7cEiAwDryzU73q47VMSNpdug2d8GVNwgG0sAHpU5M2UJn0SDsNKucULXIjXc5bCnJOHTzrxPGiBs$"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.usa.canon.com/support/p/imageformula-dr-9080c-color-production-scanner?srsltid=AfmBOooxHiaWvZTRtSQE6eMhTj_hgZKsDXoT7Bz2BBTosbXq4GtjPS51</a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hope this helps. If this was
unclear, feel free to shoot me any questions.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Xanth
King</span></b></p>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Accessible
Formats Technology Specialist</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Pronouns: They/Them/Theirs</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:Georgia,serif">Wheeler
Hall, Basement Level, </span><span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:Georgia,serif">Room
22</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Apr 29, 2025 at 9:06<span
style="font-family:Arial,sans-serif"> </span>AM
Will Pines via athen-list <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal">I was using a 3090 with
Windows 7/10 with a generic driver. I was
able to get Capture Perfect to work but with
only Batch Scan and single page scan.. none
of the extended menus that worked with its
original drivers and software. We could no
longer get parts for the 3090 (rollers,
sensors, etc.).</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Department purchased
DRG-2110. I am running the 2110 on Windows
10 with its native Capture software with no
problems.</p>
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<b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif"> athen-list <<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Susan Kelmer via
athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 29, 2025
8:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Deborah Armstrong <<a
href="mailto:armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu"
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moz-do-not-send="true"
class="moz-txt-link-freetext">armstrongdeborah@fhda.edu</a>>;
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] Canon
scanner question</span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">
</p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">
<span style="font-size:11pt">Scanner
technology has come a long way, and some
older Canon scanners (that are not
horribly pricey) are working just fine
with updated Windows version.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">
<span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">
<span style="font-size:11pt">I still use and
absolutely swear by the Canon ImageFormula
series of scanners. Sheet feed, have OCR
built in, and run just seamlessly for me.
These scanners are now 10 years old or so,
but have survived every operating system
upgrade I’ve gone through with them. I’m
using a Canon DRM160.</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">
<span style="font-size:11pt"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in">
<span style="font-size:11pt">Those older
Canon 5080s were so picky about operating
systems and just did not upgrade well to
new operating systems, but I’m here to
tell you that Canon does indeed make
scanners that will. Bonus: they have a
smaller footprint so don’t take up hardly
any room on my desk. </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<b><span
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Kelmer
</span></b></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Canon scanner
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<span style="font-size:11pt">The answer is
probably no, but here’s the situation. A
long time ago I had a Canon high speed
scanner, DR 50 something. I think it was
a DR5090, but I’m not entirely sure.
When Windows 7 came out, there were no
longer drivers that worked with it,
though the scanner itself worked fine.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">So I
convinced my department to spend another
$7,000 on a DR 8090 scanner which is
still working fine.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">But Windows
10 came out, again, no drivers supported
it.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">So I hid my
Windows 7 PC under my desk, even though
we had strict rules to surplus all our
old computers due to Windows 7 no longer
being updated.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">Five years
later, and if I still want a high-speed
scanner that works with modern Windows
11, I’m going to have to beg again. And
it is silly, because this scanner still
works just fine. Also the college wants
to avoid spending money it does not need
to spend.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">So I continue
to hide the PC controlling this scanner
and wonder if anyone has a better
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<span style="font-size:11pt">I did try
running the scanners in a VM, both when
Windows XP became deprecated and after
that Windows 7, but the drivers would
not communicate with the virtual
machine. If anyone has had luck doing
this, let me know.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">With such an
expensive scanner, I’m disappointed that
Canon has refused twice to keep its
drivers updated for modern operating
systems. I know it is in their best
interest to sell new models, but they
could have sold new drivers for a few
bucks and kept cash flow going that way
as well.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">I worry a
little about continuing to run Windows 7
just so I can use this scanner, but I
also don’t want to explain why I want a
new one when this one works fine.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11pt">--Debee</span></p>
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