<div dir="auto"><div>I disagree... some books, some publishers are better than others for books on Bookshare... but some publishers directly upload to bookshare and that's where they send you if you direct request. No source (even publishers directly) will provide you perfect accessible copies. Part of our job is update them for the needs of our students. For a majority of students, though, bookshare is perfectly fine. </div><div><br></div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><b>Elizabeth Killinger</b><br><i>Associate Coordinator</i><br><i>FIT-ABLE | Office of Disability Services<br>Fashion Institute of Technology</i><br>David Dubinsky Student Center, A570<div>Phone: 212.217.4090<br>Website: <a href="http://fitnyc.edu/fitable" target="_blank">fitnyc.edu/fitable</a></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote gmail_quote_container"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jul 9, 2025, 6:04 PM Susan Kelmer via athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I may sound like a broken record, but Bookshare files are of questionable quality in most circumstances, with a vast array of missing information and a lack of formatting that is normally expected as a standard
in an accessible file.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have been saying this for literally years. I’ve had discussions with Bookshare personnel in different areas of the organization and it is always the same, “we don’t really have anything to do with that,
you will have to talk to someone else,” or some various versions of “this is what the publisher sent us.” Any of us who work in this field know that there are much better quality materials from publishers directly than we are seeing in Bookshare versions,
aka, it would be preferable if the publisher would just give us their PDF files. At least everything starts out in the right place there. And from there, I can create a fully accessible Word or HTML document with all elements included, formatted properly
for all types of readers in just a few hours.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Bookshare files are woefully inadequate for most academic uses. It’s fine if you just want to hear a popular novel or something, but for something like this, it needs a massive amount of remediation to become
the document it should have been when it was first produced as “born accessible” by Bookshare.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Susan Kelmer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">Alternate Format Production Program Manager<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Weiler via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 9, 2025 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:kerscher@montana.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">kerscher@montana.com</a>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>>; 'Ho, Joyce Y - (joyceho)' <<a href="mailto:joyceho@arizona.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joyceho@arizona.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL *] Re: Accessible APA Publication Manual<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">[External email - use caution]<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">When I compare the version available through CELA, which I understand comes through Bookshare, and the EPUB from APA directly, I observe significant differences in quality. CELA has missing figures, no links, and lists
that seem to use asterisks. I base my observation on a spot check with JAWS. <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">I wonder if the one through CELA is actually different than the one through Bookshare? George, can you confirm that in the version from Bookshare, before section 5.2, there is a properly bulleted list that starts with
“When writing about age, exact ages or age ranges…”. In the one through CELA, this is a clip of the speech history with JAWS. Notice how it incorrectly starts with an asterisk:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">* When writing about age, exact ages or age ranges (e.g., 15-18 years old, 65-80 years old) are more specific than broad categories (e.g., under 18 years<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">old, over 65 years old; see Section 5.3).<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">This image shows the corresponding section in the EPUB from CELA. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><img border="0" width="603" height="176" style="width:6.2812in;height:1.8333in" id="m_5789507247945932736_x0000_i1026" src="cid:image002.png@01DBF0EB.0AB27550" alt="Described above."></span><span lang="EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA">This second image is from the same section in a EPUB directly from APA. Notice it uses a bullet and also has a hyperlink.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-CA"><img border="0" width="596" height="206" style="width:6.2083in;height:2.1458in" id="m_5789507247945932736Picture_x0020_1" src="cid:image003.png@01DBF0EB.0AB27550" alt="Described above"></span><span lang="EN-CA"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> July 9, 2025 3:38 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Ho, Joyce Y - (joyceho)' <<a href="mailto:joyceho@arizona.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">joyceho@arizona.edu</a>>; 'Access Technology Higher Education Network' <<a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL *] Re: [Athen] Accessible APA Publication Manual<b><u></u><u></u></b></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello, It is in Bookshare, ISBN 9781433832185<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Best<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">George<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Ho, Joyce Y - (joyceho) via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 9, 2025 12:50 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] Accessible APA Publication Manual<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Hello!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Would anyone happen to have an accessible copy of the following book:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<li class="m_5789507247945932736MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Title:
<i>Publication Manual of the American Psychological Association</i>, 7<sup>th</sup> Edition<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_5789507247945932736MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Publisher: American Psychological Association<u></u><u></u></span></li><li class="m_5789507247945932736MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0in"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">ISBN: 978-1433832178<u></u><u></u></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Thank you!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.5pt">Joyce<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:13.0pt;color:#0c234b">Joyce Ho</span></b><span style="font-size:7.5pt;color:#495057"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#495057">Accessible Content and Media Coordinator<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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