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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My bad on looking at the PDFs rather than the epubs earlier.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">A colleague recommended Thorium reader (free) and I was able to open the last to of those downloads, open each in Thorium and used the controls in NVDA to start and stop the TTS playback for them just fine.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Doug Hayman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">IT Accessibility Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Information Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Olympic College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:dhayman@olympic.edu"><span style="color:#467886">dhayman@olympic.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(360) 475-7632 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hayman, Douglass via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 23, 2025 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Wallace, Sagan <Sagan.Wallace@oregonstate.edu>; Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] [EXTERNAL] - Review a document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:10.0pt;background:#FFCC66"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">CAUTION: This email came from a non-OC system or external source. Beware of phishing and social engineering!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The last one, scan of a typewritten document is untagged and not able to be accessed with NVDA using Acrobat Reader. Obviously not remediated in the accessibility sense of the word.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Did that get jobbed out to someone and that is what you got back?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Doug Hayman<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">IT Accessibility Coordinator<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Information Technology<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Olympic College<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="mailto:dhayman@olympic.edu"><span style="color:#467886">dhayman@olympic.edu</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(360) 475-7632 <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <<a href="mailto:athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu">athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Wallace, Sagan via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 23, 2025 11:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:athen-list@u.washington.edu">athen-list@u.washington.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXTERNAL] - [Athen] Review a document?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Hello all,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">This is a big ask, so I'm sending this out to a few lists. Would anyone who is an experienced screen reader be willing to review one of the documents linked below, and give feedback on how effectively
they were remediated? If you were a visually-impaired researcher using our archives and downloaded this material, would you be satisfied? Frustrated?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Background: I am working on remediating our library archives for screen reader accessibility. These are theses and dissertations, most of which are STEM-heavy. All of our documents are PDF scans
and we are converting them to HTML or EPUB. I am finding it's hard to make some remediation decisions because we are remediating to have these available for any researcher who encounters them, rather than being able to tailor them to an individual reader's
needs. I'm confident in our ability to do a basic correction, but I want these documents to be actually pleasant for our future reader to use. Hopefully I'll be able to conduct an actual UX test with our patrons, but until then I'd love some general feedback.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Each folder has the original PDF, and our output file:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/ys5o4xtdmwlwkkejej9rvwyi06he1h66" title="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/ys5o4xtdmwlwkkejej9rvwyi06he1h66">Example of a math-heavy PDF converted to HTML</a><o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Math was made using the Word equation editor. I'm particularly curious how equation 104 on page 77 is, since that was made using MathPix.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/67packz54fb96vnxwgp3h07lon1fdxck" title="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/67packz54fb96vnxwgp3h07lon1fdxck">Document with lots of footnotes</a>, converted to EPUB<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">In particular, how is the navigation back and forth between the end notes and the main text?<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/6u0po6y3qmtcyc4co3zjtxobvq1cjgle" title="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/6u0po6y3qmtcyc4co3zjtxobvq1cjgle">PDF of a poetry book</a>, converted to EPUB<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">I haven't been able to figure out how to maintain the formatting and page breaks, but I don't think keeping it as PDF is the answer.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt"><a href="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/2uhr3tul3p9ibxnhz1xflsga6gqokzlm" title="https://oregonstate.box.com/s/2uhr3tul3p9ibxnhz1xflsga6gqokzlm">Scan of a typewritten document from 1874</a>, converted to EPUB<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">In this one I'm trying to balance maintaining the original formatting, while making the difficult-to-read text audible. We have a lot of documents written in cursive that will need to be corrected.<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">Thank you for any support, and I hope you have a wonderful week!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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