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We have been facing the same issues with the LiveScribe pens (we use the Echo 1 model) not being available anymore. We have had issues with the notebooks not being printed with enough contrast for the control icons to work consistently. </div>
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I found two similar products, but have not tested either. If anyone has experience with these devices, there might be possibility for these to be good replacements for people who have LiveScribe SmartPen inventories.</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Athen] A Small Rant About Livescribe</span></p>
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<p>I have the same questions. From what I’ve gathered, the Livepen is also going obsolete or going out of production soon so Inq can introduce
<em><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">their</span></em> own version of the pen. In just the past six months, two pens have gone out of production, the notebooks no longer function properly, and the apps are terrible.</p>
<p>Inq is still <em><span style="font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif">Livescribe</span></em> — not a new company that acquired them. It appears to be more of a rebrand to erase the failure of the last two smart pens.</p>
<p>I’ve started looking into other bulk options that don’t require an app and still keep the note-taking system within the pen itself. Unfortunately, the industry seems to have shifted toward personal products that rely on a tablet or smart device, yet don’t
even perform the basic function of recording audio directly on the pen.</p>
<p>I asked Inq if they would send us a pilot Livepen for a trial so we could evaluate its viability and provide feedback. They declined and said we could purchase a pack of ten instead. Interestingly, someone in an assistive technology group I’m part of (based
in Canada) mentioned that Inq sent them a single pen for review—but they ultimately decided it wasn’t worth pursuing.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I'm emailing with a big complaint about Livescribe and wanted to see if anyone had a similar experience. In the past, our university has ordered Livescribe Echo pens for students that love taking their own notes
and want to record as well. The Echo 2s were awesome even if they also tried to get you to connect to a bad app (foreshadowing!!).</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Fast forward to now. It appears that Livescribe has discontinued the Echo 2 and is now selling the Livepen (and also trying to get people to use Inq for some reason). The problem with the Livepen is that it doesn't
have a built-in recorder, and it forces you to use the Livepen app if you want to use any of its potential features. As I said before, the app isn't great. I don't feel great about making students rely on it when they wanted an offline notetaking option in
the first place. All of this is a roundabout way of saying that I have no idea what Livescribe is trying to do here. Why would they abandon the feature that everyone turned to them for in the first place? Why are they still selling notebook paper with options
to "record", "pause", and "stop" if the Livepens can't record outside of the app? Who is the target audience here?</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Does anyone have good alternatives to Livescribe? I'm not talking about Otter or Genio. I'm looking for something that does what the Echo 2 did. I know I could just give students a digital recorder and call it
a day, but I'm hoping that there is some hidden tool that is still committed to doing what Livescribe did.</span></p>
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