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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hi Karen,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I hadn’t noticed this, but can confirm it now you’ve pointed it out!<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I usually rely on multi-level lists having multi-level indents. I have a sound scheme in JAWS which plays sounds for various indent levels, and I have
NVDA indentation beeps turn on. Both of these settings still work and may be a potential workaround.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">HTH,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Matthew<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0cm"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> athen-list <athen-list-bounces@mailman22.u.washington.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Karen McCall via athen-list<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 23 January 2026 19:36<br>
<b>To:</b> webaim-forum@list.webaim.org<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Access Technology Higher Education Network <athen-list@u.washington.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Athen] JAWS and NVDA Question about identifying lists and Sub-lists<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I sent this earlier today but haven’t got a copy in my Inbox. Apologies for posting again. Just want to make sure it gets sent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I must have missed this change in both screen readers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">When did both screen readers stop reading the list item count in Word and stop identifying when you are in a sub-list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I know JAWS had a setting to identify sub-lists but I can’t find that setting in JAWS 2026 Utilities setting, text processing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Even in PDFs, I’m not told I’m in a sub-list which to me, is pretty important in understanding relationships of content.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">If there is a new setting for Word to identify the number of items in a list AND a setting to identify when I’m in a sub-list, please let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">For PDFs, I’d like to hear the same information if there is a setting for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I can’t believe that neither screen reader (both 2026 versions and this is also true for the 2025 versions) don’t give us this information anymore and don’t have
a setting for it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">I also went through the JAWS keyboard commands and can’t find one that announces the number of list items or that you are in a sub-list. In reality, you would have
to be able to see the sub-list to use any keyboard command specific to identifying you are in a sub-list.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Any assistance is appreciated.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Aptos Serif",serif;color:#1F3864">Cheers, Karen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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