[Athen] JAWS and NVDA Question about identifying lists and Sub-lists

[Matthew Horspool via athen-list]

Hi Karen,
I hadn't noticed this, but can confirm it now you've pointed it out!
I usually rely on multi-level lists having multi-level indents. I have a sound scheme in JAWS which plays sounds for various indent levels, and I have NVDA indentation beeps turn on. Both of these settings still work and may be a potential workaround.
HTH,
Matthew

From: athen-list <athen-list-bounces at mailman22.u.washington.edu> On Behalf Of Karen McCall via athen-list
Sent: 23 January 2026 19:36
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Subject: [Athen] JAWS and NVDA Question about identifying lists and Sub-lists

I sent this earlier today but haven't got a copy in my Inbox. Apologies for posting again. Just want to make sure it gets sent.
I must have missed this change in both screen readers.
When did both screen readers stop reading the list item count in Word and stop identifying when you are in a sub-list.
I know JAWS had a setting to identify sub-lists but I can't find that setting in JAWS 2026 Utilities setting, text processing.
Even in PDFs, I'm not told I'm in a sub-list which to me, is pretty important in understanding relationships of content.
If there is a new setting for Word to identify the number of items in a list AND a setting to identify when I'm in a sub-list, please let me know.
For PDFs, I'd like to hear the same information if there is a setting for it.
I can't believe that neither screen reader (both 2026 versions and this is also true for the 2025 versions)  don't give us this information anymore and don't have a setting for it.
I also went through the JAWS keyboard commands and can't find one that announces the number of list items or that you are in a sub-list. In reality, you would have to be able to see the sub-list to use any keyboard command specific to identifying you are in a sub-list.
Any assistance is appreciated.
Cheers, Karen

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